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To ask you what you think would be bad about a Corbyn government?

381 replies

catdoctor · 26/09/2019 22:48

Please be specific.

OP posts:
TryingAndFailing39 · 28/09/2019 21:37

Jeremy Corbyn!
And that’s enough to put me off voting labour!

CendrillonSings · 28/09/2019 21:41

The whole idea of ‘market value’ of houses is really fantasy

Ah, dodgeballchamp, the only fantasy is the idea that you’ll win any votes from the tens of millions of people who own a flat or a house when your extreme socialist policies would destroy the housing market and all the value - literally trillions of pounds - tied up in them! Grin

TryingAndFailing39 · 28/09/2019 21:41

Also I’m not sure how some of his proposals will work in theory, but as a landlord, who works in a private school (which is also our home!) and has children at private schools I don’t want to risk finding out how his policies will work out!! My only financial security is in the property I rent out as I’m living in work accommodation and have very little in savings.

360eyes · 28/09/2019 22:18

Labour governments tend to raise tax and the national defeceit, then conservative come along and get shouted at for trying to rein in the purse strings.

Well they did a good job - the deficit has got bigger, despite austerity.

Stickystick · 28/09/2019 22:23
  • the state confiscating 10% of the shares in businesses from pensioners and savers “to distribute to workers” but actually keeping most of the income from those shares for itself
  • the state nationalising many industries and infrastructure, because they were so well run in by the state back in the 60s and 70s and labour relations were so good back then - no strikes at all
  • abolishing OFSTED so bad headteachers can self-assess themselves as fabulous, just so long as they never expel any dangerous or disruptive pupils
  • abolishing private schools so we can have a system where you have to be a millionaire to live in catchment for good schools and everyone else keeps going to schools that have even less resources than before
  • giving tenants RTB from private landlords - practically speaking totally unworkable
  • being OK with antisemitism
  • being OK with bullying
  • no idea what it’s doing re Brexit
  • thinks the starving millions in Venezuela is all someone else’s fault
dodgeballchamp · 28/09/2019 22:24

People’s selfishness never fails to astound me. I’m in the process of buying a flat and would STILL vote for labour. I don’t give a fuck if the value of my flat decreases because that’s not why I’m buying it and I’m a bit more concerned about equality for the whole of society than my own greed

CendrillonSings · 28/09/2019 22:32

I don’t give a fuck if the value of my flat decreases because that’s not why I’m buying it and I’m a bit more concerned about equality for the whole of society than my own greed

Not everyone’s ambition in life is to be a good socialist drone, I’m afraid!

dodgeballchamp · 28/09/2019 22:40

It really is something when caring about the welfare of people worse off than me is seen as a bad thing worthy of insulting. I can’t even begin to understand that mindset, it’s actually incredibly depressing. But if you want to stoop to that level, it’s not everyone’s ambition to be a worthless capitalist worker ant churning out riches for the 1% either.

CendrillonSings · 28/09/2019 22:46

Let’s wait till you’ve owned that flat for a while and some beardy old dogmatist tries to take it away from you Grin Maybe your attitude will change.

Oliversmumsarmy · 28/09/2019 22:47

Many private landlords refuse to accept disabled tenants, single mums, tenants who are receiving even a small amount of benefits to help with paying rent

I think you will find that the mortgage companies are the ones who won’t accept housing benefit.

One of the biggest helps for housing would be to go back to the days when housing benefit was paid directly to the landlord.

BeardedMum · 28/09/2019 22:50

I am not a Corbyn fan but he has grown on me the past few weeks and he has made some great speeches in the Commons. Anything is better than BJ surely. Such recklessness.

Drabarni · 28/09/2019 22:59

ooh dodgeball Grin
I'm stealing your last sentence Thanks

Oliversmumsarmy · 28/09/2019 23:04

For all those saying they can afford to pay a bit more tax or they don’t mind if their property goes down in value because they are going to be living there.

Tax isn’t an optional payment and whilst you might be able to afford to live on less money others with your income might not be able to.
What happens to those people who have a flat and need something bigger when they have children or when they change jobs and need to relocate

Just because you don’t mind losing money. Some people can’t afford to.

FWIW in my first job I paid 40% of my gross salary on tax NI and union fees.
With 3 million unemployed I wonder how many were like me who found it paid more to be on benefits

dodgeballchamp · 28/09/2019 23:13

I would be absolutely happy to not own a property if the rental market was better regulated, or better still, all housing was social and managed on a local authority level. I’m buying a flat because under the current system it’s the only thing that offers security. If a labour government theoretically came in, seized all owned housing and nationalised it, fine by me. It would still result in a secure home. But even I know that would never happen because every policy starts life as a bill in parliament and I don’t think even the most communist labour members would put forward such a proposal, let alone anyone actually voting it through

Oliversmumsarmy · 28/09/2019 23:14

Don’t forget if you up the tax on things, lower the working hours then everything costs more.

Then you need to be paid more

Then companies have to charge more for the goods it produces to make up the money to pay its workers more.

Then people need more money to live on

And so on.

CendrillonSings · 28/09/2019 23:19

If a labour government theoretically came in, seized all owned housing and nationalised it, fine by me. It would still result in a secure home.

The naivety! Every citizen’s living conditions at the absolute mercy of the government - what could go wrong? Dictators love people like you.

safariboot · 28/09/2019 23:24

If I remember rightly his foreign policy's a bit of a disaster. Seems to be a theme with Labour, like how Blair had decent domestic policies but dragged us into invading Iraq.

Oliversmumsarmy · 28/09/2019 23:24

dodgeballchamp

Who would get the nice houses as secure homes.

Why would you do anything if you are going to get everything handed to you

Caucho · 28/09/2019 23:25

Posts like this are why Mumsnet found a reason to have a politics section. I’m not adverse to political debate and am more engaged than most but these type of posts are goady if you’re being generous or plants by party members, special advisors etc.

I’m not even sure if it’s pro labour or not. On the face of it it is but they might just be trying to instigate a pile on on Corbyn.

Anyway happy to talk politics with anyone but not when people very poorly and transparently attempt to do so by stealth. See you on the Politics board

sequin2000 · 28/09/2019 23:45

Jeremy Corbyn must know that he is the reason many, many people are choosing parties other than Labour. The fact that he has not yet fallen on his sword indicates to me that he is as egotistical and self seeking as Boris.

Aroundtheworldandback · 28/09/2019 23:53

Apparently the higher rate income tax in the 70’s was 90%. Dh said he may as well stack shelves in Tesco, he’d be bringing home the same salary. Why on earth would we stay?

Answerthequestion · 29/09/2019 00:02

*Corbyn is an antisemite. He laid a wreath at a memorial service for terrorists who killed innocent Jewish people, except he was ‘present’ without participating. He has allowed antisemitism to grow and fester instead of expelling party members. He has not engaged with the Jewish community in any meaningful way. I’m really scared that he could be the next prime minister.

I’m not a fan of Boris, but the Conservatives or Libdems are a far safer option for anyone Jewish*

100% correct. He has given no support whatsoever to the MP’s in his party who have been subject to vile anti Semitic slurs. He has ensured that British Jews are seriously concerned as to whether there is a further for them in Britain and these are 4th 5th generation Jewish families. Absolutely unforgivable. Whether he personally is anti-Semitic, I don’t know but he is an enabler of anti semitism and has done absolutely nothing to stamp it out. Thank goodness for decent non Jewish labour MP’s like John Mann and Wes Streeting who are prepared to stand up to support the Jewish community

Graphista · 29/09/2019 00:06

Houses are meant to be homes not bank accounts!

In a healthy society the poor and disadvantaged are cared for, this benefits everyone.

The most BASIC human need and human right is a HOME

It's a complete disgrace that in a wealthy country we have wheelchair bound people dying in shop doorways, children "living" in shipping containers...

Do none of you railing against the idea of a policy that will reclaim housing from Russian oligarchs and similar think that children and the disabled deserve habitable, HUMAN homes?

And I too am not buying the "woe is me" from private landlords. If it wasn't profitable for them they wouldn't keep doing it!

"the idea that you’ll win any votes from the tens of millions of people who own a flat or a house when your extreme socialist policies would destroy the housing market and all the value - literally trillions of pounds - tied up in them!" people are more important than wealth. I find it quite sad and disheartening that you find it amusing that someone might consider prioritising people having homes rather than housing being profitable.

TryingandFailing39 kindly meant but given the insecurity of the housing market under any colour of govt (surely the global crash showed this) why would you put all your eggs in a holey basket like that? I also don't really understand why you would live in at work and rent out your only property? If not for the profit? Private schools even if they are kept are frequently poorly run and insecure businesses I believe.

StickyStick - I remember the days when utilities, transport and telecoms were nationalised. My background is actually working in telecoms on an administrative/organisational basis and to the best of my knowledge it's the ONLY industry that has not only improved in service but also in reduced costs from becoming privatised and largely ending the monopolisation in this sector - I say largely because BT still owns far too much of the infrastructure in that area.

I used to get trains and buses a lot as I didn't learn to drive until I was 29, and I certainly remember them running much more smoothly - not perfectly - but certainly better than happens now and there are real problems with accountability now too. If you take a journey of any real distance you're using 2 possibly 3 different train companies and if anything goes wrong they all blame each other - and the fares are extortionate! I was able to travel extensively on "pocket money" type expenditure as a teen and early 20-something. Perhaps you're more of a driver and don't know how things have become? And buses - again fares are crazy! And in even semi rural areas it can be extremely hard to get about. This impacts not only on people socially but on where they can work! In my county if you don't live "in town" or drive you're pretty stuck for reliable transport to work. Many routes have plain been cancelled and most buses stop running between 6-7pm.

Energy prices have skyrocketed! And again service is not particularly better than when they were nationalised in my experience. There's little real competition as the main providers all have very similar rates. And even the profits the companies are making aren't necessarily staying in the uk as a significant number of energy companies are not uk companies (when you delve into the true ownership).

Being in Scotland I'm fortunate that water is basically still nationalised here. But I lived in England for a time and water prices were crazy too and the service appalling.

It's not headteachers that would be assessing their own schools. It would be locally set up agencies ao they'd still be inspected. Again we don't have ofsted here in Scotland but I have a number of friends who are teachers in England and was a childminder in England myself. Ofsted inspections are extremely subjective, some inspectors are tough, some too lax, making the results of inspections meaningless! My teacher friends would lambast me but I also think it's ridiculous that inspections are announced! Schools and other places that are subjected to ofsted inspections then go nuts prepping for the inspection which means inspectors aren't seeing education providers as they normally function. They should be unannounced. I know of several places with highly questionable practices or they had outstanding repairs to equipment etc which they left for many months but knowing they had an inspection booked they fixed what needed fixing. I think it should be a minimum of 2 inspectors per visit and that the inspectors don't remain in "teams" but are mixed up so they aren't influenced by each other.

"so we can have a system where you have to be a millionaire to live in catchment for good schools"
It already works that way in
England pretty much doesn't it? Here in Scotland no such nonsense. Comprehensive system and very few private schools. I know there are scots that feel the quality of education in Scotland has deteriorated in recent years, but I have to say having experienced both - the scots schools are MILES ahead! Showing that a state education system CAN be of good quality imho

Anti semitism is absolutely not ok, and I believe Corbyn has said so but I agree he could be doing more to address this matter. BUT if anyone thinks it isn't ALSO an issue within the tory party as well as all other forms of racism they're very much mistaken.

@oliversmumsarmy -

"I think you will find that the mortgage companies are the ones who won’t accept housing benefit." Not always, though that's often given as the excuse. And as not all mortgage companies do then landlords if they cared to NOT be prejudiced in this way they could use companies that don't discriminate.

That also doesn't explain/excuse the prejudice against disabled and single mum tenants.

"One of the biggest helps for housing would be to go back to the days when housing benefit was paid directly to the landlord." Actually with UC that's been happening a lot - except what's happening is people's rent isn't being paid because dwp are cocking up and it's resulting in increased evictions.

Your post at 2345 - that Model you describe has been proven to be false. What actually happens with slightly higher taxation, more people in work but working fewer hours but getting a living wage, is that there's more spending! This stimulates the economy, people having more free time AND a little more money spend more in businesses like restaurants, leisure centres, bowling alleys, days out etc.

Trickle down economics doesn't work - at all! When the wealthy have more money generally spending they don't spend more. When the poor and middle earners have more money - they spend it!

Oliversmumsarmy · 29/09/2019 00:19

Graphista

Which mortgage company allows housing benefit tenants.

There is definitely a gap in the market to allow housing benefit

CendrillonSings · 29/09/2019 00:26

people are more important than wealth. I find it quite sad and disheartening that you find it amusing that someone might consider prioritising people having homes rather than housing being profitable.

If you’d like to see the result of the destruction of private property, try typing “Venezuela” or “North Korea” into Google or Youtube and you’ll be able to see the bright future you want to ram down our throats! Grin