To ask you what you think would be bad about a Corbyn government?

[catdoctor]

Please be specific.

It really makes me laugh when people describe socialism and actually describe the capitalist system we currently live under.

‘What’s the point of working when the people at the top will take all your earnings?’ Erm, yeah, that’s what CEOs and fat cat bosses are already doing. Profiting from your toil.

‘I want to see and keep the rewards of my work’ I’m sure poorly-paid people do too, but they’re not the ones getting shares and dividends when the companies they work for make profit.

‘What’s the incentive to work if I don’t get anything from it?’ Aside from the answer being self worth, fulfilment and the good of society - people would have more choice in what kind of work to pursue in a socialist structure that ensures everyone is supported - again, see above. What’s the point in the lower and middle income people working under the current system when they’re not the ones who benefit from profits, shares etc? A few people at the top of the pyramid are benefiting and actively keeping the rest of society underneath, working under the fallacy that hard work can achieve anything. If that was true we’d all be millionaires.

Yep. Here’s a video of his loathesome comments about “Zionists” “not understanding English irony”:

www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2018/aug/24/jeremy-corbyns-2013-remarks-on-some-zionists-not-understanding-english-irony-video

Those people are extremely rich and can afford it. Corbyn and his Marxist colleagues aren't limiting themselves to only that level of wealth.

There is the ridiculous proposal that private landlords should be forced to sell their property at under market value to tenants. Many privately let houses are pension funds but of course in Corbyn's world all landlords are evil and deserve to have their property forcibly sold.

This sort of policy and the attacks on private schools are very worrying. What else do they think people should not have or not be allowed to do?

Corbyn has never worked in the private sector- he's never really done anything beyond being a very undistinguished mp.

I voted Labour in every election since 1979 until the last one. I'm not voting for a bunch of hypocritical, dictatorial, incompetent Marxists.

derxa

I have cleared a house of human shit. They even shit in the fridge, wiped their arses on the curtains and smeared it up the walls.

Huge pile of shit by the side of the bed

A sheep’s backside sounds relatively pleasant.

Hmm. So rich people need more money to incentivise themselves and poor people need less

No being poor we had the incentive to get ourselves out of the poverty to the large house.

If our lives had been made comfortable maybe we wouldn’t have had the drive.

38 years ago Dp and I lived in one room bedsit in a shit area of London. At one point we had 6 jobs each and would work on Sundays from 10pm to 5.30pm Monday and regularly worked from 9am-11pm each day during the week going from job to job

Dd is 19 Works multiple jobs and also owns her own flat. Bought at auction, in a not great state and miles away from where we live.
It is a start

Half of what I earn already goes in tax and NI. Then I am taxed when I spend and taxed on any interest I earn on savings.

I think that’s enough.

Sorry, haven't read the whole thread but my main concern would be a sovereign debt crisis. Put simply, the interest rate at which the UK govt can borrow would shoot up. I'd you look at the regimes Corbyn, McDonnell et al are friends with, they cannot easily borrow any more. We need to borrow for the foreseeable what with our whopping structural deficit, trade deficit and burgeoning national debt.

All this volatility is so bad for everyone. I'd vote for anyone boring and sensible.

Ahh ok, poverty is a mindset not to be encouraged by welfare.

Are people aware that all these changes can't just be implemented, they have to be approved by a majority in the HoC? Controversial policies are unlikely to be implemented unless one party gets a whopping majority and even then, labour are utterly divided...

This is a brilliant resource for those who don't already use it - you can look up the voting records of any MP www.theyworkforyou.com/

@BertrandRussell, regarding Diane Abbots gaff v Boris Johnson gaff - you win the thread of the year .
Diane hasn't landed some poor woman in an Iranian prison.

Do you think it’s right for anyone to be held accountable for decisions they had no control over

No I don't think it's right which why I think it's hypocritical of Labour to do so.

ok, poverty is a mindset not to be encouraged by welfare

For some degree that is right.

How else do you explain how some people who have absolutely nothing who just have the clothes on their back and 20 years later run a successful business whilst those that have a comfortable life are still in the same place

Labour should be in a position of strength right now. It is not good for democracy that the current government basically think they have a free run. I have never voted labour but I have to say, I struggle to see how they could fuck up the country any more than the conservatives have.

I can’t understand why they have got themselves into such a mess. From a Pr perspective, they just needed to keep their conference simple. It was a bonkers idea to go for private schools in the way they have because it writes the opposition headlines for them.

You know in The Handmaid's Tale universe, trans people would have been executed for being gender traitors?

Oh please! The woman costume would conveniently be removed the moment Aunt Lydia showed.

Woman is not a costume.

JC is dangerous to women because he is in favour of enshrining fiction into law.
He destroyed women only shortlists.

cronyism
open door no limits immigration
nepotism (Kinnockios son for one)
HIGH TAXES
politics of envy
quotas disproportionate to actual national representation

"Where's the money going to come from?"

Funny how nobody seems to query where the tories find money from for bribes, tax cuts for the already very wealthy, unnecessary travel, legal costs in STOPPING people claiming benefits they ARE eligible for, no deal brexit ads (hell brexit generally!), the poor implementation of UC and pip...

The money IS there, it's just currently being used for other things.

I'd rather pay you a little more for food Flowerycurtain than pay extortionate price rises due to brexit.

As for 32 hour week - surely the idea is that you would hire more employees? Meaning more people in work even if only temporarily but then it gives them recent work on their CV too (but we need a benefits system that can GENUINELY cope with people having fluctuating work and income levels)

""I'd rather have union control than control by billionaire hedge fund managers." Yep! If you think the tories don't have people they're beholden to you're deluded.

It really makes me laugh when people describe socialism and actually describe the capitalist system we currently live under.

‘What’s the point of working when the people at the top will take all your earnings?’ Erm, yeah, that’s what CEOs and fat cat bosses are already doing. Profiting from your toil.

‘I want to see and keep the rewards of my work’ I’m sure poorly-paid people do too, but they’re not the ones getting shares and dividends when the companies they work for make profit." Exactly

But then the people saying Labour would be taking "their" money from "their" Labour ARE the bosses/owners of businesses.

People on nmw work hard, they do jobs others don't want to.

"There is the ridiculous proposal that private landlords should be forced to sell their property at under market value to tenants" err I believe the policy is tenants her first refusal when the landlord is choosing to sell and at market rate.

"No being poor we had the incentive to get ourselves out of the poverty to the large house.

If our lives had been made comfortable maybe we wouldn’t have had the drive." I disagree. As long as work pays more than benefits then there's no reason benefits can't still provide a decent level of income so that when people are unable to find work they can still have enough to keep themselves fit and well for when they can find work again.

I notice REPEATEDLY tories and their supporters banging on about people who are fit enough to should be working - fair enough - BUT they vilify the unemployed WITHOUT doing ANYTHING to create jobs. Their own figures show there are more active job seekers than there are vacancies, massively so. There's a number of ways they could do this.

With the housing crisis there's an obvious "2 birds (actually 3 at least) one stone" solution of investing in renovating derelict housing and building new social housing that would create jobs, provide training opportunities and create homes. I've even sounded out this idea with economists in organisations that advise govt and they agree, my version is simplified yes but basically it WOULD work - why WON'T they do it? Because it would bring housing prices DOWN and there are FAR too mps (of ALL colours - I'll happily concede that) who are landlords and property developers who have a personal vested interest in keeping housing prices HIGH.

And I'm sure whether you're a tenant or an owner/occupier you'll agree that housing prices are too high and making the cost of living for the majority of "ordinary" folk too high.

Ratsnest that website is SO illuminating I wish more people would look at it, look at how your MP votes, look at how the leaders of parties vote (on another political thread I pointed out how Jo swinsons voting record is extremely contrary to her parties supposed manifesto!) DON'T just believe what mps say they WILL do - look at what they have ALREADY done.

As is this one:

https://www.mpsexpenses.info/#!/mp/836

Personally I'd remove almost all expenses. Only reasonable travel for those living outside a commutable distance to Westminster for essential travel, have a publicly owned building for accommodation when in London and office/staff costs organised as they would be for a "normal" company and not at the whim of individual MPs.

Oh please! The woman costume would conveniently be removed the moment Aunt Lydia showed

Someone showing a complete misunderstanding of trans issues.

You don't choose to be trans in the same way you don't use to be LGB.

Still, keep using the Gilead story about trans people.

I would love there to be Corbyn led Labour govt. The Tory party have sickened me for many years and the current batch are intent on social cleansing and care only for themselves. IMO, Mr Corbyn is smeared by our press and like good little sheep the public just baa along . I believe he has integrity and nobody could say that about blowj*b Boris.

Would love a Labour government but not with a Brexiteer in charge.

If we Brexit, the ensuing drop in the economy/people removing their assets abroad/need to make concessions for new trade deal with US etc will ensure that Corbyn is quite unable to fulfill his promises. It's just so many unicorns unless he has a clear plan for financing it. And remembering that you can only tax assets if you can get at them.

He may well have good intentions but imo he is too dogmatic to see them through.

Graphista
"There is the ridiculous proposal that private landlords should be forced to sell their property at under market value to tenants" err I believe the policy is tenants her first refusal when the landlord is choosing to sell and at market rate

Then you believe wrong on both counts. It is proposed it should be a discounted rate and forcibly.

No a "reasonable price" was what was stated and I can't see anything saying landlords would be forced to sell.

The private tenancy market is HUGELY unregulated and there are a great many poor landlords from those who simply don't have the knowledge or understanding of how to run a commercial business to those who are frankly complete bloody con artists!

Tenants can be evicted for basically no reason with little notice or worse evicted because they DARE to request that reasonable repairs are made to make the property habitable.

Many private landlords refuse to accept disabled tenants, single mums, tenants who are receiving even a small amount of benefits to help with paying rent. But tenants have to come up with often 2 months rent and a deposit, thankfully "admin fees" which were a total con have been abolished.

There's no regulatory authority checking if homes are habitable.

Things are VERY much biased. towards private landlords at the moment.

Yet people not having decent homes impacts us ALL.

Constantly having to move, which can Include having to try and find new jobs, schools for children, healthcare etc means families that rent are subject to being massively disadvantaged in almost every area of life!

I also struggle to get my head around the fact that private tenants usually are paying way more in monthly rent than they would if they had a mortgage and yet are deemed - even if they have a long history as a reliable tenant - to be incapable of paying a mortgage!

I also don't understand the thinking behind refusing to allow homeowners to pay their mortgage with benefits if they become unable to work (often temporarily) for some reason. How does making these people get rid of their homes and become private tenants help anyone? It doesn't it's purely because it's seen as "wrong" if they're allowed to keep their home, because being unemployed through no fault of your own is WRONGLY seen as a moral failing.

Priorities are all skewed in this country!

He is spineless

His whole career has been from the position of opposition or sitting on the fence and refusing to take action, so I doubt he could actually make a decision and run with.

Labours recent policy proposals are pie in the sky with no thought into how they will be funded.

Ironic how he refuses the current government to call a general election but is happy to be at the centre of a coup to topple Boris Johnson.

Revolting man, the little scrap of faith I have left in our current political system will be gone if he becomes PM.

Johnson LITERALLY runs away from every confrontation! THAT is spineless!

Some of Corbyn's policies I think are quite refreshing, some are batshit, some are sort of inbetween.

The main problem I have with it is that I simply don't believe he and his team are capable of delivering them. Corbyn has never even been a junior minister and there is very little front-bench experience in his shadow cabinet. Yet he seems to think he'll be able to push through what is, on the face of it, the most radical, sweeping, far-reaching programme of legislation since at least 1948.

As opposition leader, he has proved completely incapable of taking down the most ineffectual government I can ever remember, or of articulating a clear and coherent policy on the most urgent issue of our time, or of sorting out the mess in his own party. I just don't buy that he's a competent PM in waiting.

The whole idea of ‘market value’ of houses is really fantasy, those prices have been created by self-serving greedy investors snapping up entire blocks of flats and leaving average joe without access to a home. I genuinely, really cannot even begin to understand why anyone would think it’s right and acceptable that secure housing is outside the affordability of a great many working people. I can’t get worked up about people losing their BTL ‘retirement funds’. If they have a second home they’re already doing better than most. It’s a home someone else could be living in without being evicted when the landlord reaches pensionable age. In a socialist society where everyone could access housing it wouldn’t be necessary to even have such drastic provisions for one’s retirement. And yes, tenants should get discounted first refusal if their home goes up for sale. They’ve been feathering their landlord’s nest with their rent for he duration they’ve lived there. As for the whole ‘some landlords don’t even make a profit’ - well, boohoo. Don’t like it? Nobody’s forcing them to be landlords.