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Boris Johnson should resign

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Cinammoncake · 24/09/2019 11:18

He's lied to the Queen and shut down parliament illegally. He's not fit to be PM and should resign now.

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familycourtq · 25/09/2019 15:39

See, I'm not convinced by the more educated people voted remain argument. I think that is used as a way to disparage leave voters

Indeed - it's always trotted out as if it's a "fact" but in fact it's based on the extrapolation of an opinion poll with a tiny sample size to 17million people.

In truth, just as no-one knows the kind of leave that each of the 17 million wanted, no-one knows for certain how white, well educated etc they were not least because we have a secret ballot.

familycourtq · 25/09/2019 15:40

I agree, but it seems to be remainer MPs who get all the flack from leavers.

Each side gets flack from the other.

Tonnerre · 25/09/2019 15:57

It does not matter what the constituents' current views are. What matters is that the 2016 vote is respected and implemented.

Why? It's over 3 years 3 months ago, a substantial number of the people who voted aren't around. It's known that the vote was riddled with fraud on the Leave side, and equally it's irrevocably tainted by their repeated representations that No Deal would never happen.

The electorate is allowed to change its mind substantially between one General Election and the next - even when there's only a few months between elections. Why do we have to assume the result of a purely advisory referendum is set in stone?

LayLar360 · 25/09/2019 16:12

Indeed - it's always trotted out as if it's a "fact" but in fact it's based on the extrapolation of an opinion poll with a tiny sample size to 17million people.

In truth, just as no-one knows the kind of leave that each of the 17 million wanted, no-one knows for certain how white, well educated etc they were not least because we have a secret ballot.
Whilst you're correct that we can't know for certain, there are actually 3 polls from separate polling companies which all support a strong correlation between higher education and voting Remain. I don't believe there are any polls which show otherwise.

Ignoring the polls and looking at the actual results, of the 30 areas with the fewest graduates in the UK, 28 backed Brexit and, by contrast, 29 out of the 30 areas with the most graduates voted Remain.

All in all, it's very strong evidence

buttermilkwaffles · 25/09/2019 16:17

It wasn't a tiny sample size and it was more than one poll. All polling is done this way, using a representative sample of the population as it would obviously be unfeasible to poll the entire population.

Solitarycaddis · 25/09/2019 16:45

You can get a pretty good idea of the demographics that drove Brexit if you read the Financial Times article "Brexit voter turnout by age" [not permitted to cut & paste here].

I'm not for a moment saying that degree necessarily means higher intelligence, but if you look at the spatter pattern analyses, degree level education was definitely one of the drivers behind the Remain vote. That is a fact. One of the other drivers was possession of a passport.

familycourtq · 25/09/2019 16:46

It wasn't a tiny sample size compared to 17 million people it was.
All polling is done this way I know - and it's not always correct is it?

My point is that it cannot be represented as fact when it's actually statistical probability.

StoneofDestiny · 25/09/2019 16:48

It does not matter what the constituents' current views are. What matters is that the 2016 vote is respected and implemented

No - the referendum result was advisory. The investigation of the pro Brexit information given to the public was shown to be fraudulent/misleading/inaccurate. We have a morally bankrupt liar leading the Brexit charge and it is easy to assume his actions in the 'negotiations' are equally fraudulent. Indeed, European leaders are saying 'what negotiations?' No consideration was given to a 'no deal' option in the original referendum, and the consequences of one have only begun to be understood. So much has changed.

Johnson has to resign.

LayLar360 · 25/09/2019 18:25

My point is that it cannot be represented as fact when it's actually statistical probability.
Fine, but (a) it's an extremely high statistical probability and (b) it is a fact that Remain did far better in constituencies with high levels of graduates and Leave did far better in constituencies with the lowest numbers of graduates.

MustardScreams · 25/09/2019 18:38

To be fair you only have to read the comments from leavers on any social media site/newspaper comment section to see it’s not a huge leap to make.

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Cinammoncake · 25/09/2019 20:24

The electorate is allowed to change its mind substantially between one General Election and the next - even when there's only a few months between elections. Why do we have to assume the result of a purely advisory referendum is set in stone?

Yes - Boris Johnson is desperate for a general election and we only had one two years ago. A lot has changed since 2016 and a lot more information has come to light about what Brexit would actually mean rather than the lies that were sold to the public

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missfliss · 25/09/2019 20:27

He is a (repeatedly) proven liar.

I am disgusted at him and his group of cronies.

Yes. He should resign.

Britain has lost so much credibility on the international stage. Just back from a day work trip to Amsterdam. Genuinely embarrassed.

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Cinammoncake · 25/09/2019 20:30

I am disgusted at him and his group of cronies.

Agreed. He shows contempt for all of us thinking the public are going to lap it up and vote for him.

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contentedsoul · 25/09/2019 20:32

You can say what you like about Boris
One thing is for sure, the guy has balls and will stand his ground!
Gets my respect.

As for the limp Corbyn - While ever he stays put, we can be sure labour will never get in. Using the Thomas Cook saga in parliament was pathetic, why the fuck should british tax payers bail out the foreign owners, would their government step in and bail out a british company for sheer goodwill....of course not!

Twat!!

missfliss · 25/09/2019 20:35

I will say what I like about Boris. He's a lying scumbag who operates purely on self interest.

contentedsoul · 25/09/2019 20:44

""I will say what I like about Boris. He's a lying scumbag who operates purely on self interest"".

I think that applies to just about every leader in the world or are you so naïve to think otherwise.

Boris is going up against the bloody ""Establishment"" I cannot think of anyone , besides trump who would have the bollocks to do it.

Respect to the chap.

He's fighting the democratic result we had in the referendum.

contentedsoul · 25/09/2019 20:45

" fighting for "

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Cinammoncake · 25/09/2019 20:49

Boris is going up against the bloody ""Establishment"" I cannot think of anyone , besides trump who would have the bollocks to do it.

A rich entitled arrogant old Etonian. If you think he's 'fighting the establishment' for the good of the little people you must be seriously naive.

Not sure if you've watched him in parliament this evening. Watch the speech by Paula Sheriff and his response to it, if you have time, and see what you think of him then.

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Userzzzzz · 25/09/2019 20:51

I am saddened and worried by tonight’s parliamentary debate. I would be ashamed of my children if they acted like the PM tonight. What on Earth has happened to our country?

PigeonofDoom · 25/09/2019 21:00

Boris Johnson is the fucking establishment. How much more “establishment” can you get? He will not give one shiny shit about anyone outside his rarified social circle and has zero idea of what it is like to actually need to work for a living (rather than it being a jolly/path to glory).

When did the British populace become so bloody gullible? It’s embaressing tbh, thinking an oxford educated old Etonian is anti-establishment.
The man even sticks his degree subject into every speech, like the people you meet who say “WHEN I WAS AT OXFORD....”. Yeah, we get it bozza, you’re a superior being, whevs.

LayLar360 · 25/09/2019 21:02

Appalling scenes in the commons tonight. Johnson is an absolute disgrace. Saddens me to see anyone support him (and how anyone could think he is 'fighting the establishment' is beyond me).

Even if we remain, or we leave and it's somehow fine, our country is on an incredibly dangerous path.

Really222 · 25/09/2019 21:05

He's fighting the democratic result we had in the referendum.

He couldn’t care less about the “democratic result” and is only furthering his own career.

Really222 · 25/09/2019 21:06

What happened in Parliament tonight?

Surenuff · 25/09/2019 21:07

You can say what you like about Boris

Thanks. He is a classic psychopath with no thought for anyone but himself - not family, not friends, not party, not country. He is going to come to a very bad end and I only hope it happens soon and that he takes the rest of that shit-shower in the cabinet down with him.

Userzzzzz · 25/09/2019 21:08

Really222 Johnson was an odious bastard. That’s essentially what happened.