Boris Johnson should resign

[Cinammoncake]

He's lied to the Queen and shut down parliament illegally. He's not fit to be PM and should resign now.

No what Major did wasn't on the same planet as Johnson.

Major prorogued Parliament to delay publication of a report into MPs expenses, sharp practice but had no really effect on the country.

However, Johnson shut down Parliament to get through one of the biggest constitutional changes in this country's history and one that would be to all intent and purpose, irreversible.

However, BJ didn't break any law, what he did was irresponsible and not what someone with his education and intellect should have done.

..... which is why T.May didn't try it in March, she realised her position in our constitution.

Really, I cannot see the point in voting if my opinion means nothing and my MP has no obligation to represent it. If voters feel that way, the whole system collapses - we already have a huge problem with voters not feeling invested enough to bother voting. Yet MPs have the hubris to ignore the largest direct instruction they've ever received.

Major prorogued Parliament to delay publication of a report into MPs expenses, sharp practice but had no really effect on the country.
Not true. Major prevented a report into bribery of MPs being published until after an election. The outcome of that election may even have been different - otherwise why did he do it.

The main difference is there was no-one like Gina Miller to keep an eye on the bastard.

I never claimed his actions were the same as Boris' just pointed out that Major is a fucking total hypocrite - although that is hardly news given his back to basics crap.

It’s not that simple though, many MPs voted for Theresa May’s deal, many of them remainers. While at the same time many leave MPs voted against it.

And if MPs feel that their constituents’ lives will be made much poorer and more difficult by a no deal Brexit let’s say, they do have a duty to do what they think is best.

I agree with the point above regarding FPTP, which means that many people are effectively unrepresented.

@Aderyn19 You have a point - given that I have never voted Tory and regard it as highly unlikely I ever would but I've lived in Tory seats most of my life, my vote is also fairly pointless. With that said even Tory MPs have occasionally voted for things I wanted.

It’s not that simple though, many MPs voted for Theresa May’s deal, many of them remainers. While at the same time many leave MPs voted against it
As someone upthread pointed out - the WA wasn't defeated by Leaver MPs alone.

@milveycrohn

"If everyone dislikes Boris Johnson, why wont they allow a General Election.
I think the Labour party would win outright."

1. Everyone doesn't dislike Boris Johnson.
2. Polls don't support your view that Labour would win a GE outright.
3. Also, the Labour party have stated they don't want a GE yet until they know we cannot leave the EU without a deal.

As an aside, I think the expenses scandal was catastrophic for the country, since it fundamentally changed the trust we have in our representatives. JM used the same strategy as BJ but because this particular issue isn't to his liking, he objects.
People have to accept losing or the no decision can ever be made about anything. The country has existed in a state of paralysis for 3 years to the detriment of everything else. Brexit is important but it's not the only important issue.

"Major is a fucking total hypocrite"
I totally agree. He has a bloody nerve even commenting on it.

I think we can all agree there. Remember the family values bullshit, while all the time he was knocking off Edwina Currie on the quiet.

I would just like to say, that as someone who doesn't particularly like Bojo the clown, John Major prorouged parliament in 1997 in order to bypass the "cash for questions" scandal and that was followed by the GE where Tony Blair came to power.

Imagine a world where TB never came to power - no illegal, immoral war in Iraq and the shit storm which has resulted from that.

Imagine a world where TB never came to power - no illegal, immoral war in Iraq and the shit storm which has resulted from that.
The Iraq war would happened anyway because the USA was determined.

Imagine a world where TB never came to power - no illegal, immoral war in Iraq and the shit storm which has resulted from that.

Are you really that naive?

Tony Blair lied to parliament to secure UK involvement. A different PM may have made different choices.
The USA wanted British involvement in Vietnam but our govt resisted it. You might be keen to excuse Blair for his appalling choices, but thousands of people died, who maybe wouldn't have and it was done on the basis of a lie.

The difference of opinion between leave and remain vote was so narrow that it can't easily be resolved, and that's what actually parliament does reflect in my view. You can't just steamroller over 'the 16 million' and inflict something so damaging that many of 'the 17million' wouldn't have voted for in the first place if they knew the full facts

You do realise that just because a majority on this one forum want him to resign, it won't actually influence him into resigning don't you?

It's what happens in real life that really matters, not what happens in MN world.

Wait.. you mean to say the PM doesn't have to abide by our MN poll??!!!

But Cinnamon, parliament is disproportionately representing remain voters.

But Cinnamon, parliament is disproportionately representing remain voters.

I can see why you're saying this, in that more MPs might prefer remain (in line with the population in that more educated people tended - not always but generally- to favour remain) But, given that the referendum result was very close to 50/50, how would that translate in a parliament comprised like that. Even at 52/48 it's not like a hard line no deal Brexit would be passed, it'd have to lean towards a soft Brexit.

See, I'm not convinced by the more educated people voted remain argument. I think that is used as a way to disparage leave voters. It doesn't take into account that older people are less likely to have attended university than younger people. Possession of a degree doesn't automatically indicate higher intelligence and therefore better decision making.
Boris Johnson is highly educated, for example.

This is why the referendum was such a wank idea. If we have soft Brexit that effectively no-one voted for, no-one will be happy. Brexiteers will claim (with some justification) we haven't actually properly left the EU, and Remainers will point out with equal justification that it's a worse deal than doing nothing.

I think something as important as EU membership is something the electorate ought to have been consulted about before we got to the point where we are so embroiled that leaving is seemingly virtually impossible.
But the way we were consulted was highly flawed. The leave/remain question raised more problems than it solved. And of course, Cameron's motivation and conduct both during the campaign and after the result was appalling. History will judge him harshly.

As someone upthread pointed out - the WA wasn't defeated by Leaver MPs alone.

Does this mean that if remainer MPs voted against it they were “frustrating Brexit”, but the same doesn’t apply to leave MPs who voted against it? And therefore the fact that some of them want to plunge us into chaos with no deal is somehow okay?

Does this mean that if remainer MPs voted against it they were “frustrating Brexit”, but the same doesn’t apply to leave MPs who voted against it? And therefore the fact that some of them want to plunge us into chaos with no deal is somehow okay?
No, it means the WA wasn't defeated by Leaver MPs alone.

The WA was amazingly effective in uniting people with diametrically opposing views on Brexit in their opposition to it.

I agree, but it seems to be remainer MPs who get all the flack from leavers.