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To wonder if the Royal family will attend state schools once the private ones are abolished?

178 replies

Notcontent · 23/09/2019 13:33

Or will there be exceptions for the mega wealthy and powerful?

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SoupDragon · 23/09/2019 15:04

but it will level the playing field to a greater extent than the current system does.

But not as much as fixing the state education system would.

titchy · 23/09/2019 15:05

It's funny how everyone saying this is a great policy because it essentially means that the poorest children won't be discriminated against, totally misses the fact that by doing so they are admitting that state school education is crap - but that they don't want to actually look into why it's apparently crap and do something to address the underlying issues!

Weird! I'd have thought if you subscribe to the 'private school = good education' and 'state school = poor education' (I don't, for the record) you'd want to work out why and develop policies to improve state schools. 🤷‍♀️

Pringlesfortea · 23/09/2019 15:06

No ,this is the best idea to come out of politics in a long long time ..there are a lot more people not using private schools to push this through and vote labour ,than are using them ...really looking forward to the next election now

ajandjjmum · 23/09/2019 15:08

Aren't Labour also planning to ditch Ofsted?

Obviously doing everything they can to improve the level of education in the UK. Hmm

AsTheWorldTurns · 23/09/2019 15:09

@AsTheWorldTurns, yes, the aim is to have a more equal society where we care about what everyone needs, not just those with money.

Humans are far too intelligent and diverse to be equal.

To say nothing of the folly of putting bureaucrats in charge of the 'smoothing out' process.

PhilCornwall1 · 23/09/2019 15:09

They won't be abolished at all.

ScreamingValenta · 23/09/2019 15:15

I doubt private schools will be abolished but if they were, the Royals would either:

  • use state schools that are in reality, very exclusive (such as those used by the offspring of Labour MPs)
  • use private tuition
  • send the children to be educated overseas

We are not going to see an 11 year old George Windsor turning up to share his textbook with Joe Average at a Comprehensive with a leaky roof and a drugs problem.

Ponzischeme · 23/09/2019 15:15

I don't think state school education is "crap" at all, some are excellent. Funnily enough the excellent ones are generally where all the educated middle class people manage to get their kids into because they can afford the housing surrounding that particular school.

I don't see how you are ever going to fix the state school system without getting politicians interested, and until they have to send their kids to state school I can't see that they are ever going to be interested.

Novocastrian · 23/09/2019 15:17

Ajandjjmum. 60-odd percent of headteachers are in favour of OFSTED being reformed or scrapped.

beethebee · 23/09/2019 15:20

Firstly, it's never going to happen.

Secondly, on the off-chance that it does, most top public schools already have a 'just-in-case' plan in place to move offshore.

MaybeladyB · 23/09/2019 15:20

Pringlesfortea

This will get me voting labour again after 20 + years of not doing...excellent policy

You realise that driving lessons will have to be banned also don’t you? They are private schools. And swimming lessons and Brownies and Scouts and football clubs...

You haven’t read the policy in full have you?

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VladmirsPoutine · 23/09/2019 15:24

Thing is; I can understand the ideological aspect of 'buying' a ticket through life which private education affords. But then where's the money going to come from to create all these new schools once the private ones are shut down? It really hasn't been thought through and watching the Labour conference it occurs to me that this is a party in no-way shape or form ready to govern the country. A 4-day working week! Sounds good for the white collar workers perched in their offices but does that mean fewer operations carried out? Fewer hours of social care afforded in care homes etc?

This is a bizarre host of policy suggestions.

MaybeladyB · 23/09/2019 15:27

What will they ban next? Designer trainers? Bigger cars? Holidays to Loren expensive places?

Lie is unequal. Get off your backside and do something about it if you want what the Joneses have. Don’t think you can vote someone in to steal it off them!

titchy · 23/09/2019 15:30

Fewer hours of social care afforded in care homes etc?

Yep. Two visits a day for my elderly relative instead of three. So which to ditch - the one to get them up and breakfasted in the morning, the one that feeds them, or the one that helps them into bed.

Defenbaker · 23/09/2019 15:38

Ha ha ha, the notion that any royal child would end up attending an ordinary state school is so unreal it's laughable, but it's an amusing thought. Grin I think the monarchy may start to find its position a lot weaker once the Queen has gone, and there will be pressure to downsize the civil list, with less taxpayers' money funding them and a lot more public scrutiny of their lavish lifestyles. I think the Queen has done a good job, but think some changes are way overdue to the way the royals are funded.

I don't believe private schools will be abolished. The elite will never allow it, because those schools help to perpetuate the status quo, where children of wealthy parents get the best education, with good connections, then end up holding most of the most powerful positions.

Itsallgonewoowoo · 23/09/2019 15:41

My poor kids go to a private school. They have bursaries to give them equal opportunities with richer kids. Eldest went to outstanding state, was in gifted and talented stream. He out stripped even that and it was the head of the state school who said look at private when DS started misbehaving as he was bored. He is headboy and scholarship holder now.
Second went to state school and was bullied, school tried their best but he learnt nothing and started with anxiety attacks. Tried a different state school but by then he was so far behind he was in the special class and shut down. Private school gave him a bursary too. He is now successful academically, has not been bullied and I'm hoping soon his confidence will return.
Private education is not all about the rich. I'm a leftie and wanted to support the state schools but they don't have the money or the help to provide for every child's different needs.
I can't see how it's an enforceable policy though!

Ponzischeme · 23/09/2019 15:48

I was bullied in private school and transferred to a state where I did brilliantly, so horses for courses.

VapeVamp12 · 23/09/2019 15:53

Labour are desperate aren't they?!

4 day working weeks and abolishing private schools all in one day!

Ambidexte · 23/09/2019 15:55

How about increasing funding for state schools so that they could rival the pupil-teacher ratios and general facilities that private schools have?

The better state schools got, the lower the demand for private schools would be.

The 'abolish private schools' approach seems to be all about levelling down, rather than levelling up.

Tilltheendoftheline · 23/09/2019 15:56

A 4-day working week!

How would that work? Everyone taking a 20% pay cut?

Or keeping the wage? In which case companies will downsize.

Ponzischeme · 23/09/2019 15:57

How about increasing funding for state schools so that they could rival the pupil-teacher ratios and general facilities that private schools have

I agree, but, again, why do you think that any government is ever going to bother to do that when their kids are not the ones being affected?

Lonecatwithkitten · 23/09/2019 15:58

I wonder how those who support this see it working?
In my town we would need a new three form entry primary and a new secondary to cope.
What has already happened will get worse? That houses in catchment for the best schools cost 100s of thousands more than those in the less good schools.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 23/09/2019 16:05

Will all the boarding schools enter the State Boarding system too? (State boarding schools are open to anyone but priority is given to those in need... In Care, Military and Crown Service, other jobs requiring travel, rural kids etc.)

AlphaBravoCharlieDelta · 23/09/2019 16:07

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RightYesButNo · 23/09/2019 16:07

Private schooling will never be abolished. You’re talking about an industry that accounts for £11 billion to the British economy, not to mention the influence that will be brought to bear by alumni if abolishment were ever seriously brought up, no doubt (apparently, though monetary figures can be wrong). It would also cost £2 billion if those 620,000 students were to suddenly be put into state schools so... on paper, it looks like the economy would lose billions, and have to come up with billions, and a bunch of the powerful elite will never let it happen anyway. Shrug. I wouldn’t give it a second thought at this point. Total non-starter.