AIBU Greta Thunberg?

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AIBU to ask everyone who can to get behind Greta Thunberg, even if only online, as she's now getting a lot a lot a lot of hate. She clearly threatens people - especially her polar opposites, men, rich old men, powerful men (did I mention men?). Let's all give her the lurve and support she needs.
So on FB I challenged one just now - Why are you attacking a young woman? - and he disappeared. Funny, that.

Not just men

A lot of hate from older women too

It's quite well known that the suffragette movement wasnt really getting anywhere until world war one broke out and the aftermath of it.

Then why did France not given women the vote when they went through the same war and women played a part?

Anyway, it doesn't mean those women shouldn't have protested does it? Are you suggesting that people shouldn't protest because it's not worth it? That's a lot of apathy.

Bloody hell Tumbling. I wonder if people feel the same way when they see you.

Surprised mn is letting this stuff sit here when they get rid of other anti-sleb threads. Esp since she is a child.

Then why did France not given women the vote when they went through the same war and women played a part

Cause France is a different country?

@coatlessinspokane
The suffrage, abolitionist, and civil rights ..etc etc movements had an effect, but it wasn’t through protests that they achieved their aims.

“Dr. Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech bookended the Civil Rights Movement’s march on Washington, yet the march itself cannot be credited for the civil rights legislation that followed it. Protest was just one part of a layered nonviolent resistance tactic employed by the movement for a decade before any legislation was signed.
Protests can win exposure for a cause, but they do not fight legal battles that make change possible. Consider the 2016 Standing Rock protest against the Dakota Access Pipeline. While media attention may have hastened legal decisions on the matter of building on Sioux lands, the final battle was ultimately decided in the Oval Office and in the courtroom, and the protest lines were swiftly shut down.

Protests are win-lose propositions that highlight ideological differences and sow discord.

The ethos of protest is rooted in conflict, not conflict resolution – resistance, even nonviolent resistance, is an act of war intended to change a political reality. Protest rhetoric is more about preaching to the choir than it is about changing hearts and minds. The one-voice-no-debate approach is a zero-sum game that pits protesters against their environment, and to an extent, against anyone who is not protesting. This charged atmosphere often leads to violence that proves counterproductive to protest goals. For example, Antifa protestors and their embrace of violence tend to undermine their aims of fighting against fascism. This light being shone on the (mis)actions of the extreme left lessens the focus on or impact of the extreme right, and widens national discord, as was shown after Charlottesville.”

You know That it’s a world wide issue? “Separate country” doesn’t matter? (Women’s votes or climate change?)

Protest rhetoric is more about preaching to the choir than it is about changing hearts and minds

No, I'd say it was more about preaching to the middle ground, the people on the fence, who haven't really confronted or thought about the issue.

The discussions around ideas that come out of protests, reach into people's homes and everyday lives and raise awareness. They don't always get listened to, but when they do they are most definitely worth it.

Don't ask, don't get.

Cause France is a different country?

A different country that didn't have a suffrage movement.

caringcarer Well if she makes a ridiculous face then lets just leave the planet to burn. Then you can feel vindicated.

A different country that didn't have a suffrage movement.

Thata not logical. 2 countries dealt with post war differently. Different politics, different parties.

Just because one country responds in one way doesnr mean an entirely different country will.

You know That it’s a world wide issue? “Separate country” doesn’t matter? (Women’s votes or climate change?)

Womens votes were definitely a issue dealt with by individual countries. World wide issue, but dealt with at a country level.

@DoctorAllcome with respect that’s nonsense. It’s an accumulated history of activism including protest that got women the vote, not the political chicanery of the Tory party. As another pp said would you really be so naive to expect Hansard to record this?Ditto a history of protest, including violent rebellions which collectively brought about the abolition of slavery.

If you look at the antifascist protests of the 1930s, including the battle of cable street, it was very much protest which stopped the rise of fascism in this country. You are speaking to a history of which you are entirely ignorant.

What I am lost in admiration over is that she's confronting world leaders, giving speeches to crowds in a language that isn't her first.

Watch this video (it has subs) of her speaking in Swedish. She seems a lot more relaxed and happy. The girl is amazing

By the way I don't disagree with protests. They just are not as world changing as people think.

She is being used by people who should know better if her conditions are to be believed. Her parents are hard left political activists and like today's preaching, are writing her speeches for her for hard hitting diatribe headlines! Political BS of the highest order!

Agree with this, glennamy.

@MangoFeverDream it really isn’t about whether I like it or not. Our world cannot support everyone living a western lifestyle. We are already seeing famine, drought, wildfires, extremes of temperature and weather as a regular occurrence. This pattern will only continue and intensify.

OP you not seen the photos of her with Al Gore? He’s not looking very threatened by her. Greta is a puppet, she has a ton of money and influence behind her. It’s not what one girl can do at all. In many scientific studies there are a lot of question marks about climate change....whilst it’s true that we need to change our ways, Greta is conveniently ignoring the threat of 5g on humanity and the environment and has said nothing about weather modification programs which are messing with nature in much bigger ways than we citizens are.

I’m afraid I turn the telly off if she comes on.

Too gimmicky.

DoctorAllcome Protest rhetoric is more about preaching to the choir than it is about changing hearts and minds. The one-voice-no-debate approach is a zero-sum game that pits protesters against their environment, and to an extent, against anyone who is not protesting.

This deserves to be repeated.

I don't think there are that many people who will do anything drastically different, or change their minds.

What would make a huge difference is doing small things that are within our control right now better. Such as more cycle paths, really cracking down on businesses that encourage litter, discouraging wasteful planning permission such as new build detached houses in favour of terraced 3 storey houses, no more out of town shopping centres, etc..

How is it political bs of the highest order when there is an overwhelming consensus on what is causing man made climate change? Do you think it’s some left wing conspiracy that has led to changes at an isotopic level?! Or caused the sixth mass extinction we are currently experiencing?

The level of ignorance and inertia on this thread is terrifying. This is the same vein as Brexit, where all the experts were ignored because “people had had enough of experts” and dismissed empirical evidence as “project fear” because it conflicted with their worldview.

She’s doing too much

She’s not doing enough