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For friend not to visit!

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MoonlightDancer · 20/09/2019 18:31

Our friend recently invited us to her house visit and catch up...she's been reading A LOT of books on parenting, sleep training, vitamin powders for babies etc...she's a newish mum (1 year old)...so we understand she's wanting to get things 'right'.

When we got there we had to whisper the entire time we were there...when it came to having dinner we had to eat with plastic cutlery so it wouldn't make a noise on the plates and drink out of plastic picnic glasses so we couldn't make a noise when putting it on the table like a glass would...when it came to using the loo it was either the pub down the road or pee outside in the garden in a bucket which we drew the line at and ended the evening to get back to our hotel and use the facilities!

When we met up the next day I apologised we had to go but was bursting for the loo...she said that in her books it mentions about having absolute silence for children to get into a deep sleep in the first hour and they don't wake for hours...her child cannot sleep without the environment being pin drop silent now!

She's messaged saying looking forward to seeing you and staying over with a list of 'rules' that must be adhered to in order for her child to sleep for example unplug landline, phones on silent, no tv etc! We've made it clear that it's impossible and to expect noise etc, doors in and out, doorbell, phones ringing, washer on etc!

We've offered to pay for a hotel which is 15 mins away from us but she's messaged back saying she can't control the noise at a hotel but at mine she can! AIBU to say no to visiting if she won't accept that noise will be in my home! We live 250 miles away so she will be staying for 4 days.

OP posts:
thecatinthetwat · 20/09/2019 19:15

not being dramatic at all.

So why can’t you use the loo and not flush?

A bucket in the garden is silly, just don’t flush the loo. She might be a bit loopy right now because having a baby that wakes through the night for over a year does that to you. But you’ve got no excuse. Just don’t flush the loo and put your phone on silent. And tell her that’s what you’ll do.

MoonlightDancer · 20/09/2019 19:15

@babymum89 me and DH are starting to suspect that

OP posts:
MoonlightDancer · 20/09/2019 19:15

Will respond properly later as going out for dinner now.

OP posts:
Butchyrestingface · 20/09/2019 19:16

She's messaged saying looking forward to seeing you and staying over with a list of 'rules' that must be adhered to in order for her child to sleep for example unplug landline, phones on silent, no tv etc! We've made it clear that it's impossible and to expect noise etc, doors in and out, doorbell, phones ringing, washer on etc!

Welcome to Mumsnet, OP! Flowers

Hadalifeonce · 20/09/2019 19:17

Hope it works😁

Norma27 · 20/09/2019 19:21

Absolutely batshit! Will never understand people who insist on silence once they have a baby. Never did this and mine would now sleep through anything. My eldest insisted on being asleep by 6pm from a few weeks old until about 7 years!

thecatinthetwat · 20/09/2019 19:23

My eldest insisted on being asleep by 6pm from a few weeks old until about 7 years!

Did it occur to you that might be why you ‘don’t understand’?

tinyvulture · 20/09/2019 19:24

TBF when my step-grand-daughter is over (she’s a terrible sleeper) we all agree not to flush for wees during the night, as the bathroom is right next to the room they sleep in. Our flush is weirdly loud, so it would possibly wake her.....
And you probably wouldn’t wear high heels at home, would you?
Phones on silent is ok, and keeping your voices down moderately.
The rest, with the plastic cutlery and stuff, is bonkers tho.

Durgasarrow · 20/09/2019 19:24

Do not let this crazy lady in your home.

SmellbowSmellbow123 · 20/09/2019 19:25

I just want you and us to enjoy your visit! But also to remember it's our home

Incorporate that in to your response. It’s slightly edited from what you’ve posted earlier.

I’d love to see “The List” though!!

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/09/2019 19:26

If she stays in the Airbnb you’ll probably see very little of her tbh because nap times will also need controlling. The pnd explanation is interesting. I am chronically ill and the more ill I am the more I have to control the environment eg noise levels otherwise I run out of energy and stop functioning. The same could be true of your friend. She simply has reached her limit.

Ohnoherewego62 · 20/09/2019 19:26

No thanks!

Mines slept with all sorts of noises on, household appliances, tv, talking with visitors etc etc

It will make her baby very difficult to settle in other settings where there is general household noise. Nursery will be a nightmare for naps also.

Mumshappy · 20/09/2019 19:31

I feel sorry for your friend. Sounds like shes got Pnd and this is a coping mechanism. I get that you don't make a deliberate racket when a baby has just gone down but this is all very extreme. I wouldn't have her stay at mine as theres no way me and my dcs could stick to these rules. She wont enjoy it you wont enjoy it. Best to postpone the trip completely until she can relax things a little.

Nonnymum · 20/09/2019 19:31

She sounds obsessed. Is she planning more children? If so she is going or find it impossible to keep this up with her 2nd. I've never heard of this before, surely babies need to get used to sleeping with some background noise?

Embracelife · 20/09/2019 19:32

Say yes yes we will run our house as usual.
If you prefer you can sleep with infant in the garden shed with pee bucket.
Suggest she seeks some support for her anxiety...

Beautiful3 · 20/09/2019 19:35

Agree with @SummerWhisper: -

"We enjoyed spending time with you and adored seeing the baby but the regimes you implement for your little one simply won't work for us and our home. I'm sorry that we can't accommodate you."

This is perfect☝️

BarrenFieldofFucks · 20/09/2019 19:36

I don't know anyone who flushes in the night unless it is a poo tbh.

Notverygrownup · 20/09/2019 19:38

I just want her and us to enjoy her visit! I don't think that anyone has suggested this. If the baby wakes up half way through the meal/a daytime snooze/whatever, you just say "Dont panic. You finish your meal/bath/film/whatever. I'll look after the baby. You relax. You deserve it."

I'm sure that was why I was so terrified of waking my ds1 - and Catherine Tate really resonated with me . I knew that if we did wake him, it could definitely be another 36 hours before I got to have my meal/shower/watch the end of the programme, as there was no-one else who would step in for me.

You look after the baby for her during the stay and she will probably be happily rattling cutlery and flushing the loo along with the rest of us. Order takeaways, or easy to cook food, and help her to remember what it feels like to be able to relax for a few hours . . . .

MaybeitsMaybelline · 20/09/2019 19:38

I’m sorry, i call BS. No on however pub but expect a friend to use the pub loo or a bucket.

MaybeitsMaybelline · 20/09/2019 19:39

PFB not pub

saraclara · 20/09/2019 19:42

"We enjoyed spending time with you and adored seeing the baby but the regimes you implement for your little one simply won't work for us and our home. I'm sorry that we can't accommodate you."

Another one who thinks this is pretty perfect. Though I'd maybe change the ending to "can't accommodate your requests"

NWQM · 20/09/2019 19:42

Sorry if this sounds simplistic but have you thought about buying her another book? One that reminds her that baby was used to sounds in the womb and needs that comfort.

My lovely friend went overboard & clearly had some PND. She was a scientist so I took her some academic papers and took the books off her. She was driving herself round in circles as the books all say slightly different things.

The NHS 0-5 book is a neutral one. I'm not sure if it's handed out anymore but it can be downloaded www.publichealth.hscni.net/publications/birth-five

Personally I think you need to be a little cruel to be kind and not start accommodating these needs as they are odd. Tell her she is welcome to come and that you will of course make reasonable adjustments for all the visitors but that some of her demands are not reasonable. So she needs to decide if she will still come.

Okki · 20/09/2019 19:45

OMG. An hour for a child to fall asleep. Bonkers. I'm a cruel mum then. Virtually from birth mine were put in bed, said goodnight and left to go to sleep. Back up to settle if necessary. Normal house noise at all times. They are 12 and 9 now and sleep anywhere and through anything. Apart from each others singing Grin.

I feel very sad for her and her child as she will have so many issues later on. At what point will normal cutlery and glasses be used? I hope she can laugh at herself later.

gamerchick · 20/09/2019 19:46

Tell her she is welcome to come but there will be reasonable noise while they are here and you will be using your own toilet when you wish. If she's anxious about that then maybe postpone the visit until she's ready.

Totally batshit rules man. Never make that rod for your back. Kids need to learn how to sleep through random noise.

saraclara · 20/09/2019 19:47

To be honest, I thought that advice was to have normal noise going on at sleep time she that a) the baby gets used to it and b) if it stirs it can hear people around, so is confident that it hasn't been abandoned.

Certainly my babies were more likely to cry if they woke when the house was quiet. If the tv was on or we had visitors, we'd hear when they stirred, on the monitor, but they'd go back to sleep.

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