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Finding a way through 'the avalanche of crazy' or Trump thread 96.

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lionheart · 17/09/2019 02:02

From back in Decemeber:

'This shouldn’t get lost in the avalanche of crazy. The wall we need is between DOJ and the White House. The foundation of our democracy- the rule of law- depends on it.' Sally Q. Yates.

Smile

Old thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3645518-Its-High-Crimes-and-Misdemeanours-Time-Trump-thread-no-95

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Roussette · 23/10/2019 07:41

One barefaced lie I need help with....

Again and again the likes of Trump and now Stephanie Grisham (as above) and countless other Republicans call the Democrats, the do nothing party. Trump has said the equivalent of that endlessly in tweets.

Apparently the Dems have passed over 100 bills that McConnell has sat on. It's not even that the bills won't pass, they won't be voted on.
He calls himself the Grim Reaper of Bills.

Why aren't the Democracts shouting this from the rooftops all the time? And how can one man (McConnell) wield such power as to sit on over 100 bills?

Lweji · 23/10/2019 08:04

He sets up the schedule.
And he's clearly making sure the agenda is empty for a quick Impeachment trial. Wink

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Lweji · 23/10/2019 08:36

It turns out that Trump wasn't the only one to use the word lynching applied to an Impeachment trial.

Joe Biden and others have used it in the Clinton years.
Ups
bit.ly/33SIPG0

(Also, spot the mullet) Grin

lionheart · 23/10/2019 09:29

Ugh (on both counts).

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TheClaws · 23/10/2019 11:12

Levin is an influential Fox commentator, so this isn’t actually funny. It’s frightening, as his followers - those unthinking Fox viewers - simply believe this without question. Then retweet it.

Jason Campbell @JasonSCampbell
Mark Levin: "While [Trump's] been president there hasn't even been a hint of scandal. Not a hint."

TheClaws · 23/10/2019 11:49

And then Trump retweets Fox rubbish like this - from the GOP chairperson, no less. In the screen grab, the two look very North Korean State TV—like, but I could be projecting.

Donald J. Trump Retweeted

Ronna McDaniel@GOPChairwoman
Adam Schiff’s phony narrative has been “OBLITERATED” by testimony given to the House.

“There is nothing from anything that I’ve heard that you could possibly impeach @realDonaldTrump
for.”

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AcrossthePond55 · 23/10/2019 17:10

Scrotus was just on TV re: Syria/Kurds/Turkey. I muted the set. When the reporter came back on I unmuted it and heard him say "He's patting himself on the back for 'ending' a war that he, himself, created".

This is the exact plot of Wag the Dog. Except we're beyond the sex scandal aspects of his presidency. Now it's about abuse of power, quid pro quo, and the Emoluments Clause.

cozietoesie · 23/10/2019 18:47

Taylor's evidence. Mr Cooper.

cozietoesie · 23/10/2019 22:34

Not a smoking gun.........more a smoking cannon. (A Dem comment - more or less.)

cozietoesie · 23/10/2019 22:45

Or to be precise:

Hello!

“This is my most disturbing day in Congress so far.”

“It was very damning for the president.”

“You could hear a pin drop in the room.”

“This wasn't just a smoking gun, it was a smoking cannon.”

These were just some of the comments Democratss_ made after Bill Taylor, the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, gave testimony yesterday as part of the ongoing impeachment inquiry.

In prepared remarks, obtained by the New York Timeses^_, Taylor described both a regular and “highly “irregular” channel for U.S.-Ukraine policy, the latter being steered by President Donald Trump’s private attorney Rudy Giuliani. He also explicitly spelled out a quid pro quo, where the Trump administration withheld aid and a meeting at the White House for President Volodymyr Zelensky until Ukraine announced an investigation into a company that had hired Hunter Biden: “By mid-July it was becoming clear to me that the meeting President Zelensky wanted was conditioned on the investigations of Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections. It was also clear that this condition was driven by the irregular policy channel I had come to understand was guided by Mr. Giuliani.” "All that the OMB staff person said was that the directive [to withhold aid] had come from the president to the chief of staff to OMB.” "Ambassador Sondland told me that President Trump had told him that he wants President Zelenskiy to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U.S. election.” “Ambassador [to the European Union Gordon] Sondland also told me that he now recognized that he had made a mistake by earlier telling the Ukrainian officials to whom he spoke that a White House meeting with President Zelensky was dependent on a public announcement of investigationsin fact, Ambassador Sondland said, ‘everything’ was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance.”

While the allegations aren’t anything really new--a lot of this was covered in the original anonymous whistleblower’s report—the fact that America’s top diplomat in Ukraine laid out such detailed information that seems to point to a quid pro quo was astounding to many Democratic lawmakers.

But the Mueller report should serve as a warning about getting too hung up on the “quid pro quo” phase.

Trump often repeated the phrase “no collusion” when it came to the Russia investigation. Collusion, however, is not a specific legal offense and Mueller instead said he investigated if there was a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia. While no evidence was found of a conspiracy, Mueller did not exonerate the president on obstruction of justice. Trump, however, continued to repeat the phrase “no collusion, no obstruction,” despite that being inconsistent with Mueller’s findings.

With a president that can turn an entire news cycle from the use of a single word (see: lynching), it’s important to remember that articles of impeachment, if drafted, could be written in any number of ways and may not use the exact “quid pro quo” phrase to describe the Ukraine situation.

But if Democrats rely too heavily on the phrase now without including it in impeachment articles, it opens them up to further attacks from Trump that there was no quid pro quo after all, even if that’s exactly what’s described.

Tara Francis Chan is a senior editor, politics at Newsweek. You can reach her on Twitter @taramfrancisis_ or by email, [email protected]^.

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cozietoesie · 23/10/2019 22:53

Flipping heck.

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Roussette · 23/10/2019 22:59

and heard him say "He's patting himself on the back for 'ending' a war that he, himself, created"

He does this so much and this gif sums him up...

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AcrossthePond55 · 23/10/2019 23:01

Oh sweet Baby Jesus. Oh, the insanity. I have facepalmed myself so hard I have a headache. No, I need a drink. A BIG drink.

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lionheart · 23/10/2019 23:04

On why it is such an issue aside from the obvious:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1187032800572125191.html

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lionheart · 23/10/2019 23:06

Triple tipple for you Across.

Gin Gin Gin

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AcrossthePond55 · 23/10/2019 23:06

For geographical reference for my non-US thread buddies

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Hoolajerry · 23/10/2019 23:08

I truly don't understand how they are getting away with this

lionheart · 23/10/2019 23:12

It's obviously a very big wall.

I don't understand why they are throwing themselves into the fray in quite this way. Do they really think Trump will hold on to power (with gerrymandering plus a little help from the bots) or is it back to that Kompromat thing?

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cozietoesie · 23/10/2019 23:18

Sorry, Across. I'm more than ever convinced that it's either a CC or multiple secessions.

AcrossthePond55 · 24/10/2019 01:57

The thing is cozie most secessionist movements are very pro-right, 'free man on the land/sovereign citizen' shit. The only way I think you'll get a 'left led' secession movement is if Scrotus refuses to leave office once he's voted out AND if swift and sure action isn't taken to remove him forcibly. But I mean, he'd literally have to barricade himself into the West Wing. Not that I put that beyond him.

As far as a CC, maybe if the Senate refuses to hear the case for removal if Scrotus is impeached.

lionheart · 24/10/2019 06:20

Not wrong but rather rude.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/susan-rice-lindsey-graham_us_5dafbbf7e4b0f34e3a7e74f6?ri18n=true

“He’s been a piece of shit,” Rice interjected. “I said it. I said it, dammit. Finally. He’s a piece of shit.”

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Lweji · 24/10/2019 07:27

(thereal)SCROTUS:

:(Kiddingly) We’re building a Wall in Colorado”(then stated, “we’re not building a Wall in Kansas but they get the benefit of the Wall we’re building on the Border”) refered to people in the very packed auditorium, from Colorado & Kansas, getting the benefit of the Border Wall!"

Sure...