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AIBU to feel so hurt?

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Lincolnfield · 10/09/2019 15:38

My son has been with his partner for about fifteen years and I honestly don't know what, if anything, I've said or done wrong to her. She is a high flyer in her profession and, at the beginning of this year, she was appointed to an incredibly senior post. I was truthfully very pleased for her and very proud as well. Like my son, she comes from a working class background and has had to really graft to get to where she is.

I sent her a congratulations card and bought a silver paperweight for her which I had engraved with the date and her new post. Then, a couple of weeks later when she came over with my son I said to her how proud I was of her. Her reply was, 'Oh, I've had enough arse licking about it.' I was NOT arse licking! I was simply expressing acknowledgement of her achievements.

There was a big event in London for her appointment and her father, his girlfriend and her brother attended (her parents are divorced and the whole relationship in her family is a bit strange) and my husband and I were invited, which was nice. She paid everything for her father, his girlfriend and brother - their rail travel, hotel, meals in London. I was a bit apalled that they were so ready to accept it without even offering to pay for a meal for her and my son. In fairness, she offered to pay for us but I absolutely refused. I am quite proud and I paid for us. I told my son I wasn't going to scrounge off them even though they're a lot better off than us. It's just not my way.

My husband and I very rarely visit them because we don't want to intrude in their lives at all and to be honest, I always feel that she really doesn't want to spend any time with me. About once a month my job takes me to the same city where my son works. If he's free he will meet me for lunch and it's lovely to have an hour with him and a bit of a catch up. A couple of months ago, I happened to be working on a Saturday so son and partner both met me and she was absolutely fine, chatting etc. and it was lovely to be with them both. It almost feels schizophrenic.

They're both forty this year, son in two weeks and his partner in November. She did phone and say it would be nice to go out for dinner with us and the rest of our family - I have two stepsons as well as my son and we have five grandchildren. She has been vegetarian for years but this year has decided to be vegan so I searched everywhere to find a nice restaurant with a vegan menu. I sent her a copy of a menu from a lovely country pub that we have visited before and she replied to say there was nothing on the menu that she would eat.

I did loads of research to find an alternative place and when they came over a few weeks ago I showed her both menus on the internet. 'I don't mind at all,' she said, ' as long as they do vegan I'll be fine.'

They don't have any children but they had a lovely little rescue dog which they both doted on. Sadly, she had to be put to sleep a few months ago because she was very old and poorly and naturally they were both gutted. I completely understand how they feel because all my adult life I've had dogs. They are a big part of mine and my husband's lives and for the last thirty odd years we've always had three retrievers at a time - flat coats and goldens. My current golden is fourteen and getting very creaky. They came over a few weeks ago and I commented on my old dog. She snapped at me and said 'my dog didn't have the chance to get to that age.' Actually she doesn't really know how old their dog was because being a rescue, there was a lot of uncertainty about how old she actually was - and why does it matter? If my dog is older, then am I supposed to feel bad about it?

I've tried so hard to be friendly with her for my son's sake as much as anything, but if I text her for any reason at all she never replies. I texted her this week asking for some advice on a professional matter and she didn't reply which frankly, I thought was just rude. I very rarely phone her but if I do she always ignores my calls and I can tell she has hit the ignore button on her phone because it rings out and then stops.

I also lost one of my dogs at the end of last year but my boy was only five years old. He died in a freak accident when a tennis ball was wedged in his throat and it killed him. Seriously, it was the most traumatic experiences I've ever had. I was out on my own with my dogs and I couldn't save him. He died at my feet. One of the vet nurses at our vets sent me a lovely little card with some sweet words in. I came across her card this week in my drawer and, thinking son's partner would like it, I put the same words on her facebook page explaning who had sent it to me.

My son rang me this morning to tell me off and said I'd really upset her and I shouldn't have posted on her facebook page. He said, 'after all, it's still raw.' I'm sure it is but I thought the words would be a bit of comfort.

I love my son very much. We have always had a close and easy relationship. His dad died many years ago and I was on my own with him until he was four and I met my husband who is his stepfather and thankfully he has brought him up as his own. I don't say anything about the way his partner acts towards me because I always take the view that as long as they have a good relationship then it doesn't really matter if she doesn't like me but I can't help feeling hurt.

It's so weird. When she's there in my company with my son she is pretty okay except for her odd barbed comment - aka the one about arse licking - but when I do something in all innocence, like my comment on her facebook page I'm in trouble and the rest of the time she blanks me.

I just feel as though I'm walking on eggshells all the time with her and everything I do or say is wrong.

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Lincolnfield · 10/09/2019 18:11

Thanks everyone for so many positive comments and giving me food for thought.The person who said I'm a people pleaser is probably spot on! My professional role is a caring nurturing one so I guess that sums me up.

I just want to be very clear re my comments on son's partner's family. It was my son who grumbled about them scrounging and I responded by saying I'd pay for my husband and myself on that particular occasion. You're all right that her relationship with her family is none of my business but my son has grumbled many times to me about how much money his partner has given to her father. It's been thousands of pounds not just a few quid here and there. I always tell him that he needs to address it with her and he tells me that they do discuss it and she gets frustrated with her dad but feels responsible for him. His life is in a bit of a mess. He was living on a boat and is currently living in a static caravan with his girlfriend. He has now asked his daughter to help them buy a house - and before everyone jumps on my head, yes that's also none of my business but my son also has a senior post as a corporate lawyer so my view, rightly or wrongly, is that they should enjoy their hard earned income for themselves.

I would also reiterate that I'm not constantly texting or phoning son's partner. I've just checked through my phone and in the whole of this year I've sent her a total of 6 texts. However I think the best advice here is to just leave her be. Be here, if and when she wants me and be friendly when I see her.

I think I'm just feeling a bit rubbish at the moment and also cross with myself for the FB message. Oh! Just to say I didn't just copy the vet nurse's message verbatim but changed some of it to reflect their dog so it definitely wasn't about my dog. I wouldn't do the whole 'when my dog died I felt xyz' because I'm well aware how crass that is.

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Cittadina · 10/09/2019 18:12

Apologies Lincolnfield my reply cross posted with your update; in that case I do not think you were rude to refuse the hospitality.

HillRunner · 10/09/2019 18:13

but my son has grumbled many times to me about how much money his partner has given to her father. It's been thousands of pounds not just a few quid here and there

It's not actually any of his business either. I assume she pays her way in terms of their household expenses? If so, she can give her dad whatever she likes.

Bookworm4 · 10/09/2019 18:15

Jeezo! Can nobody rtft?
It was her SON who called them scroungers not OP!!

ShirleyPhallus · 10/09/2019 18:16

my son has grumbled many times to me about how much money his partner has given to her father. It's been thousands of pounds not just a few quid here and there

At this stage, when they are partners rather than married with kids it isn’t really his business what she spends her money on. I earn decent money and if my parents needed it of course I’d help them out! I think it would be far more sad if she was some successful, rich, career woman who refused to help out her poor parents who were living in a caravan....

HillRunner · 10/09/2019 18:16

You referred to her family as having a 'strange setup' despite the fact that it wasn't relevant to your post, and doesn't actually sound that strange. That's what I mean by the digs. The fact that you made two totally irrelevant digs at her family in your post stood out a mile.

The fact that your son makes the same digs doesn't justify it. The attitude towards her family may well be a bone of contention between them.

Bouffalant · 10/09/2019 18:17

It sounds like you just communicate very differently and are very different people.

I think the scrounging comment is a bit odd, regardless of your son saying it, it was the first thing you mentioned and it sounds like you looked down upon her and her family for it. It's not scrounging if someone invites you or offers to pay something, and it sounds like she offered.

The paperweight gift just sounds like she perhaps didn't like it and didn't know what to say?

The Facebook thing, I HATE when people write anything personal or deep on my wall, meaning everyone else can see it. I don't want people knowing how I'm feeling, and if I do I tell them individually, not via a wall post so that every other person can see it. I've removed comments from people and then contacted them explaining that I don't like my private life on display, but thanking them for the thought.

It sounds like the things you've done have been genuinely with good intentions, but they might have misfired and made her uncomfortable or made her want to keep you at arms length. I think that's fine, as long as she's civil and kind to you in person.

HillRunner · 10/09/2019 18:18

Her son called them scroungers, but the OP agreed with him. This may well have been relayed to the GF in an argument as "even my mum agrees that your dad is a scrounger".

Each2TheirOwn · 10/09/2019 18:19

^*when somebody buys me things like silver paperweights with dates a part of me dies a little!

Agreed, this falls squarely in to the “absolute tat” category and I’d want to chuck it in the bin but not really know what to do with it*^

Wow - that's gratitude for you!

Cittadina · 10/09/2019 18:19

This last post you wrote was lovely Lincolnfield. I wish you and your DIL were able to see each other as the lovely people I am sure you both are, and could communicate in a friendly and warm matter.

Unfortunately there is often a tension implicit in the MIL-DIL relationship. My MIL is a lovely woman but she drives me completely mad; on the other hand she flies off the handle at any minor comment I do because she feels it's about her and she is terribly defensive when it's not about her at all.

Cittadina · 10/09/2019 18:23

Each2TheirOwn - gratitude is the feeling you have when somebody does something for you, help you out in some way, not when they offload on you unwanted stuff! My MIL bought me the most horrendous "frog doing yoga" statuette - I do not do yoga or like frogs - should i be grateful? not at all! She babysat for one week when I had to go to a course for work - She helped me when I needed it and I am deeply, truly grateful for that.

ShirleyPhallus · 10/09/2019 18:31

Wow - that's gratitude for you!

But the point is that that’s exactly the kind of stuff I do NOT want. It’s not a good present to buy something someone hates and then inevitably be offended when it isn’t on display in their house. I’d find it a terrible waste of money so feel guilty but also be irritated they spent money on something I’d hate.

Lincolnfield · 10/09/2019 18:36

'gratitude is the feeling you have when somebody does something for you, help you out in some way, not when they offload on you unwanted stuff! '

Whoah! Hold your horses! Her new role is in a very archaic traditional area in a very historic building where she has her own rooms stuffed with antiques. A lot of her work is paper based - hence the paperweight. If she hates it, sure she can bin it and despite being over sensitive on some things that wouldn't upset me at all! 😂😂

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LuckyLou7 · 10/09/2019 18:36

I don't see what was wrong with posting a condolence message on Facebook. My friend sent me a lovely poem when my beloved dog passed, and I was happy to see it on Facebook.

As for all the other stuff, try to draw a line under it. She's your son's wife, you don't have to be best friends, you just have to get along when you see each other. Be kind to yourself.

SummerSun10 · 10/09/2019 18:38

You sound a bit over the top with how you interact with her. If my MIL bought me a silver paperweight for a promotion I would think it very strange. The card or just a congratulations when you saw her would have been fine.

saraclara · 10/09/2019 18:44

Yep. You're entirely different people who are unlikely to ever really 'get' each other. I understand your disappointment, but used, I think you just have to recognise that your sentimentality irritates her, and her brusqueness upsets you.

If you're close, you could always open a reasonably relaxed conversation with your son one day, and just ask him how best to negotiate your relationship with her. But otherwise I'd just step back and keep most of your communication with him rather than her.

Ponoka7 · 10/09/2019 18:46

"my view, rightly or wrongly, is that they should enjoy their hard earned income for themselves."

I wonder if he's repeated that, when they've disagreed.

It's her money to spend how she wants. If she wants to help her Parents, that's her choice and shouldn't be commented on.

Your Son shouldn't be calling them scrongers. You want to be close to her, but he gets to insult her Parents?

Ypu shouldn't be feeding into that. If ypurs is a caring/nurturing role and you think of yourself as that, then you should understand the dilemma that she is in.

How is your Son from a WC background when you are a professional?

You aren't on the level of her Family, especially her Dad and she is probably aware of how you feel and is defense.

NoSquirrels · 10/09/2019 19:00

Nothing you’ve said makes me think there’s any problem at all.

The arse-licking conment - quite possibly totally unrelated to you and your actions/gifts completely. Sounds like something I’d say if I was embarrassed by lots of attention, and as you’re not the only person in her life presumably she was just overwhelmed or fed up of the subject.

FB thing - perhaps she made a private comment to her DP that she was upset by it and he’s tried to be ‘helpful’ by mentioning it when he should have kept his mouth shut!

Paying for yourselves - eh, fine. Who she pays for is neither here nor there to her relationship with you?

Vegan thing - just a bad day when she saw the menu?

All I can see from this is DIL has lost a dog she was besotted by and is grieving so touchy when it’s mentioned, and has recently fit a massive promotion so us super busy and quite possibly stressed out.

Don’t make it a thing - if she’s nice when with you why look for ulterior motives?

sonjadog · 10/09/2019 19:05

The responses on this thread show how different personalities can have trouble getting on. Like your DiL, I wouldn't have liked the fuss about the promotion and the paperweight and the poem, but other posters here think they are nice, thoughtful gestures. I don't think either of us are wrong, we are just different personalities and maybe personalities that generally don't end up being friends with one another. That's the problem with family, you don't get to choose complementary personalities like you can with friends, so people with very different interaction styles have to try to rub along the best they can. If you DiL is a bit like me (and it sounds like it), then the best thing to do is back off and give her plenty of space.

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 10/09/2019 19:06

I think that mostly you just need to accept that you are never going to be close, but you can get along well enough. That's fine, you don't need to strive for anything more.
Oh, and never, ever ask for free advice from a professional. Is she a lawyer? Hatred of people wanting free legal advice seems to be the one thing that unites all lawyers! There are all sorts of reasons why it's such a bad idea, as well as being tiresome for the lawyer.

Passthecherrycoke · 10/09/2019 19:16

It sounds like you’re over thinking a lot of your contact OP- the part about the menus was a sort of nothing situation as far as I can tell. You’ve taken some really one off unusual events at which pretty minor things happened and blown them into your whole relationship with her. I mean your post is about 5/6 occasions. Everyone has off days.

I think the Facebook thing- I know you acknowledged it wasn’t a good idea but for me the worst thing would be my other FB friends seeing a twee message, id be embarrassed for both of us. It’s so public- imagine if she’s has work colleagues on FB?

Passthecherrycoke · 10/09/2019 19:17

Also I completely agree with the PP who said her MIl is similar and she just doesn’t know how to deal with personalities like that. I can relate to that a lot, I often have no idea how to respond to my MIL and say the wrong thing out of confusion/ panic

SoupDragon · 10/09/2019 19:22

she didn't invite us - my son did and he was going to pay for us.

You said she offered to pay for you.

I don't seek out my son in preference to seeing her

But it could well look as if you do.

Lincolnfield · 10/09/2019 19:25

'How is your Son from a WC background when you are a professional?'

Oh goodness! My mum was a cleaner and my dad a steel worker. I got married at 18 (don't judge, it was a different time ☺). My son was born four years later and shortly after his first birthday my husband died of cancer. I studied part time, entered the school of nursing and clawed my way up the slippery slope. Did a masters degree in medical education - again, part time and was promoted to a surgical care practitioner role. Now I work part time advocating for people who lack mental capacity (an IMCA) and I teach some courses on the same subject to junior doctors. My role is professional but I am still a working class person. Got it?

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Icantthinkofanynewnames · 10/09/2019 19:32

I don’t think she’s done anything particularly wrong - it sounds like you’re just different people. For example, just like you think her behavior is weird or off, she probably thinks some of yours is too - she might have thought you were being rude or weird for snubbing her offer to treat you for her celebration, for instance. If she’s nice when she’s in your company maybe you need to sort of take the hint (not in a horrible way) but it sounds like she’s happy to be friendly and civil with you but doesn’t want to be overly close which seems sensible as you do seem to be very different.

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