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To ask how you will vote in the General Election

237 replies

SirJamesTalbotAndHisSpeculum · 04/09/2019 23:30

..... if Boris ever manages to announce when it is.

Will you stick to your usual Party or vote tactically to ensure the Brexit you believe is best for the country?

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EleanorTopaz · 07/09/2019 11:56

I will be voting Conservative, we live in a safe Conservative area. My MP is a Brexiteer and a member of the ERG, and DP, DS and I are very happy with that. DD, on the other hand, is a Corbynista and will be voting Labour in her University town!

reginafelangee · 07/09/2019 12:02

I think Brexit could be the deciding factor that may tip Scotland into wanting independence if there is no deal Regina

The polls are holding steadily as still no. They really haven't budged since 2014.

Plus if you think about what hell there's been trying to leave the EU - it would be a million miles worse trying to leave the UK.

I do worry it might tip towards independence but I think when people consider do they really want to go through all this again x 1000 then no voters will hold firm.

Hoolihan · 07/09/2019 12:04

Tactically here, which will be Labour. Will have to hold my nose.

Okurrrrrrrr · 07/09/2019 12:05

Lib Dem, lifelong labour voter so will feel strange putting that X in a different box but they've just been so inconsistent. I also live in a true blue area but at least I will have my vote heard.

reginafelangee · 07/09/2019 12:05

How can you say worse than the Tories and then say you would vote Tory!?

I have no enthusiasm for voting Tory but if I want to stay in the UK then it's them or Libdems.

The SNP pursue a right wing economic agenda whilst talking left so on that front there's not much difference. But the SNP are nationalists and I loathe nationalism so they are worse than the tories.

Okurrrrrrrr · 07/09/2019 12:07

Hope you're right @reginafelangee me and DP have been so worried about Scotland having another referendum, and who could blame them if they did.

emilybrontescorsett · 07/09/2019 12:10

Yahbasic
So no other investment of £88 billion would provide jobs for your area, is that what you are claiming?
What sort of jobs are these?
I'm also struggling to fathom the correlation between someone's parent working in a job created by building HS2 and a child suddenly declaring they want to go to university.
Do you not think that if there was more investment in existing infrastructure that this would create jobs?
That often people , I've experienced this first hand, cannot accept a job because of lack of adequate transport.
That perhaps investing in care for mental health issues would create jobs. Providing more busses will create more jobs. Working on improving existing train tracks creates more jobs. Investing more in schools and education creates more jobs.
Building and repairing existing building he created more jobs.
Investing more in keeping woodlands and parks nice created more jobs.
Investing in town centres creates more jobs.

Another factor to consider is who's areas are being destroyed for this?
Perhaps if it was your home and business being destroyed you would not support it. Ditto the natural parks and woodlands in your surrounding area.
It s the same old same old. None of the mps voting for this will be effected in a negative way.
The plans have already been dramatically changed, the route altered, I have seen them.
The proposed route has been changed at a detriment to thousands of people who will not benefit.
That should be illegal.
You should not be able to propose something, get it passed then change it.

Sakura7 · 07/09/2019 12:21

I think this election is different to any other, and anyone saying there's no point in voting because you're in a safe Tory or Labour seat should think again. Brexit, the Brexit Party and the resurgent Lib Dems, not to mention the weakness of the two main parties, have changed the landscape.

If you're a Remainer in a 'safe' Tory constituency where the majority voted Leave, it's easy to think your vote is pointless but that's not necessarily the case. The Brexit Party will split the Tory vote, and they could allow the Lib Dems or Labour to sneak in. It is so important for Remainers to vote tactically for the candidate best placed to unseat the Tory. If that means holding your nose to vote Labour over Lib Dem, or vice versa, do it.

emilybrontescorsett · 07/09/2019 12:28

Can I also reiterate what has been said by another poster.
Do vote.
Don't refrain from voting.
If you want to make a stand then go to the polling station and draw a line through your ballot paper, or even write across it 'none of these'.
Then put it in the ballot box.
It will be counted as a 'spoiled' paper and those votes are read out.

YahBasic · 07/09/2019 14:14

No, at no point have I claimed that. What I am saying is that you are claiming that HS2 is all doom and gloom, and I am providing a different viewpoint.

Jobs have been created all over the country - the company I work for has people working on various elements in professional jobs all over the country. The town I grew up in, has had significant investment into it due to HS2’s supply chain - so not just jobs on site and labouring and eventually working on the rail, but into manufacturing.

For an old railway town where people have lost their way through jobs on the railway being cut, HS2 has breathed new life for them. It’s jobs they understand and can do.

I’m surprised that you cannot see a correlation between parents working and children having aspiration. We have had multiple generations not working in that town. Children see their parents not working and think that is the norm. Now, we are seeing first hand parents getting jobs and children continuing into further education, because for the first time in years, they can see people “like them” going into operations management, working their way up in warehouses to management roles or becoming civil engineers through their site experience.

I am sorry that you are being negatively impacted, but mega projects aren’t always white elephants for all. They can and do have positive effects for many deprived parts of the country.

greenlavender · 07/09/2019 15:35

Historically always Labour (apart from a dalliance with the SDP in the 80s), but left the Labour Party over Brexit & anti-semistism, so Lib Dem for me.

Missangrypants · 07/09/2019 15:43

@YahBasic

Yes, jobs will be created initially to create the HS2 infrastructure. However, those jobs will be short term.

Then once HS2 is completed, jobs will be ferried down to London and the surrounding areas. This will be because commuting down to London will have become so much easier. There won't be the need for companies to retain offices in the regions.

HS2 benefits London and the South. Bases on a ratio of cost to value, it will not benefit the rest of the country.

Missangrypants · 07/09/2019 16:04

The Lib Dems supported and enabled the Tories to pursue their austerity measures.

After campaigning against higher tuition fees, the Lib Dems supported and enabled the Tories to increase them.

In order to have a taste of power, the Lib Dems helped to pave the way for huge cuts to services and zero percent pay rises to lowly paid public sector workers whilst accepting above inflation pay rises for MPs. They were not a moderating influence.

So why is everyone forgetting this in order to vote Lib Dem just because they are the party of remaining in the EU?

Aside from Brexit, do you really want the Lib Dems to have another go at holding the reigns of power based on what happened before. Remember, they were subsequently punished during the subsequent election and rightly so.

Okurrrrrrrr · 07/09/2019 16:26

@missangrypants the way I saw it with the coalition is that the LD's reigned the Tories in on their very worst cuts. Would have been a hell of a lot worse if it was a pure Tory government.
Although yes I agree I was very angry with them at the time, but things do change, for good and bad, and I'm never going to be one of those voters who votes the same way so long as they can hold a pencil.

Sakura7 · 07/09/2019 16:27

So why is everyone forgetting this in order to vote Lib Dem just because they are the party of remaining in the EU?

Because the country is facing the biggest crisis since WW2 and they are the party with the most sensible solution. If you are a Remainer in a Tory/Lib Dem marginal seat, a vote for anyone but the Lib Dems would be stupid. If that means holding your nose, so be it.

It's actually very common for junior coalition partners to pay a high price at the next election, while the larger party does fine. I think it's quite unfair because it's clear now just how much the Lib Dems held the Tories back. As for their manifesto pledges, they are dependent on getting a majority. If you go into coalition, you have to compromise.

somanyresusablebags · 07/09/2019 16:29

Plaid as otherwise we'll split the no-Brexit vote but I'd prefer to vote green or lib dems.

Plaid are confusing the support they are getting for being anti-Brexit as support for independent wales.

TheMustressMhor · 07/09/2019 19:05

I think I shall go to one of those websites which tell you who to vote for in your area which will ensure we get another referendum.

AsTheWorldTurns · 07/09/2019 19:15

Brexit or Tory/Brexit.

LightsInOtherPeoplesHouses · 07/09/2019 22:38

Probably Labour. I have a Tory MP, he's a Brexiter although the constituency was narrowly remain, and from looking at his voting record I suspect we disagree on just about everything. I've also checked past election results here and it's not impossible for Labour to win so they seem the best bet as I desperately want to avoid no deal (I'd prefer to remain, but I do think that now that could come at too high a cost).

happinessischocolate · 08/09/2019 01:19

Even Amber Rudd has left now 🤷‍♀️

But people on this thread still believe in Boris

WAKE UP !!!!!!

Babysharkisanearworm · 08/09/2019 01:55

Amber Rudd is no loss. A remainer who has failed to protect the most.vulnerable people in society.
PIP scandal
UC mess
Windrush
No tears around here for her exit.

happinessischocolate · 08/09/2019 01:59

Amber Rudd is no loss. A remainer who has failed to protect the most.vulnerable people in society.
PIP scandal
UC mess
Windrush
No tears around here for her exit

Wow, how quickly you turn on your own MPs, I assume you feel the same about Boris' brother, Philip Hammond etc etc

echt · 08/09/2019 02:36

This will be my last GE vote as I lose it next year after 15 years in Australia. My area is a safe Labour seat.

TheMustressMhor · 08/09/2019 03:33

Agree that Amber Rudd is no loss but see it as yet another blow for the Tories.

jcurve · 08/09/2019 08:03

Then once HS2 is completed, jobs will be ferried down to London and the surrounding areas. This will be because commuting down to London will have become so much easier. There won't be the need for companies to retain offices in the regions.

Actually the opposite is happening now. Businesses are increasingly relocating out of London and into the six key regional cities (Bristol, Glasgow, Birmingham, Leeds, Manchester, Edinburgh) because office accommodation is cheaper, wages are cheaper, and there is a good supply of skilled staff due to the good universities. People are increasingly happy to start their careers in the regions because London is so expensive. Edinburgh and Manchester in particular are becoming incredible tech hubs.

Even my employer is gradually shutting down all of its south-east based offices apart from the HQ, and moving the bulk of those jobs up north.

HS2 is likely benefit the regions, moreso than London, by eventually improving currently poor rail links between the cities.