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To wonder why Corbyn is seen more dangerous than Boris?

122 replies

malificent7 · 03/09/2019 17:18

As I am struggling to see how anyone could be more dangerous that Boris and his awful cabinet.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/09/2019 18:15

After all, we had a recent poster who insisted he actually drafted the thing Damn! I missed that one... Gin

Gone2far · 03/09/2019 18:16

News flash
We . WILL . All . Die
Unless I missed something

Symptomless · 03/09/2019 18:16

Bring on labour government. Or lib dem government. Or green government. Or a coalition of any of these.

malificent7 · 03/09/2019 18:19

I will prob vote Green in the next election as I agree that climate change is the most important issue.
Most people don't agree ergo we prob won't make it as a speciess...but it will be the fault of everyone.

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nellodee · 03/09/2019 18:23

Duh, course we will all die. Bad choice of words. But have you ever noticed that all those charts that predict 3-4 degrees of warning by 2100 are all STILL GOING UP at that point? And do you realise that a rise of six degrees basically means small clusters of humanity gathered around the poles?

We are all going to die, and yes, we are eventually going to go extinct as well, but do we really want that to happen within the llifespans of our children's grandchildren?

When we vote, we really, really need to take this into account. NOW. There is no time in the future to reverse direction. We now are facing an extremely difficult future and we need to minimise just how horrible it is going to be.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/09/2019 18:27

When we vote, we really, really need to take this into account. NOW. Go on then. Which party will halt all of that? Who should I vote for?

nellodee · 03/09/2019 18:34

There may not be a party that has a magic bullet, but the worst option is ALWAYS the Conservatives on this issue.

Bluthbanana · 03/09/2019 18:42

but the worst option is ALWAYS the Conservatives on this issue.

Right, but how does that have to mean Corbyn?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/09/2019 18:54

There may not be a party that has a magic bullet, but the worst option is ALWAYS the Conservatives on this issue. So your answer is "I've no idea but not the Tories cos... they are Tories" ??

Mmm!

IfIShouldFallFromGraceWithGod · 03/09/2019 19:23

Big companies don't avoid other EU countries who have more equal societies then we do

AndromedaPerseus · 03/09/2019 21:01

Those who would welcome a hard left government should also have a look at what’s currently happening in Hong Kong

nellodee · 03/09/2019 21:01

The Conservative policy record on environmental issues:

Following the election of the Conservative government in June 2015 the Business Secretary, Sajid Javid, announced the privatisation of the Green Investment Bank (launched in 2012). Javid claimed that privatisation would give the GIB better access to capital and more freedom to operate. However, its more obvious spur was to ensure that debt held by the Bank would not contribute to the public sector net debt: the abiding preoccupation of Chancellor George Osborne under his policy of austerity. A primary function of a state-owned investment bank is that it signals long term policy commitment to private investors to create certainty and hence lower the risk premium on private capital. The sale of GIB signalled the opposite. The National Audit Office report concluded that the price of sale was too low and that while officials had secured some commitments from the buyer to continue its green goals these were not legally binding.

In the 2015 summer Budget Osborne removed Climate Change Levy Exemptions from renewable electricity with less than a month’s notice. This decision ended the de facto tax exemption for organisations that turned to renewables and left few tax incentives for industry to make a forward-looking choice of supplier. The shift was straightforwardly damaging to the renewables sector. In the 2016 Budget, Climate Change Levy rates were raised but this now meant a higher carbon tax on renewable energy while the discount rates available to carbon intensive industries were increased, protecting them from the higher rates. Osborne had ‘levelled the playing field’ in narrow competitiveness terms that contradicted the whole point of the original policy, which was to increase the deployment of renewable energy.

The Carbon Price Floor, supposed to set a minimum price for carbon, was meant to rise every year until 2020. This commitment lasted one year. In his last, 2016 Budget, Chancellor Osborne froze fuel duty for the seventh year in a row despite a steep decrease in oil prices, so the average motorist spent £450 less on fuel in 2016 than they did in 2011. This freeze was extended under the autumn 2017 Budget of Philip Hammond. In spring 2017 Hammond announced a five year freeze on the Duty and Road Use Levy for heavy vehicles while promising for a ‘call for evidence’ on updating the latter.

Recent Conservative Chancellors have increased financial support for North Sea Oil and Gas. The 2016 Budget halved the Supplementary Charge (a top up tax) on the industry from 20% to 10 % and announced £20m in funding for a second round of seismic surveys in 2016-17, to encourage exploration for new sources of oil. This budget also abolished the 35% tax collected from the profits of oil and gas production by reducing the rate to 0% and backdating this to 1 January 2016. As for the 2017 Autumn Budget, Hammond announced an effective moratorium on new support for low-carbon electricity. The Carbon Price Floor was not extended beyond 2025 and no commitments were made to adjust it if the EU emissions trading system price changed.

nellodee · 03/09/2019 21:06

ACTION ON ENERGY
In the UK, the combustion of fossil fuels for electricity and use of gas for household heating and cooking, was responsible for almost 40% of greenhouse gas emissions in 2016.22 There are also negative air quality and health impacts of coal and gas-fired power stations from nitrogen oxides, sulphur dioxide and ground level ozone. That is why Labour will:
 Ensure that 60 per cent of the UK’s energy comes from low-carbon or renewable sources within twelve years of coming to power
 Support the development of tidal lagoons, starting with approval of the Swansea Tidal Lagoon
 Upgrade and invest in flexible energy networks capable of supporting a transition to decentralised renewable energy, by
bringing the UK’s energy transmission and distribution networks back into public ownership. This means making more use of local, micro grids and of batteries to store and balance fluctuating renewable
energy, and providing the necessary investment to connect renewable energy sources to the grid
 Remove the barriers to onshore wind put in place by the Conservative government, and stop the Conservatives’ chopping and
changing of energy policy, investing in wind, solar and other renewable projects to support the creation of a thriving renewables industry with good, long term jobs across the UK
 Work closely with energy unions to support energy workers and communities through transition Fracking would lock the UK into high carbon energy infrastructure, would increase local air pollution, create large volumes of waste water, do little for the UK’s energy security, and is unpopular with affected communities. That is why Labour will:
 Join France, Germany and other countries around the world in banning fracking

PhilSwagielka · 03/09/2019 21:09

I'm Jewish, and I dislike Corbyn, but I'd say Johnson is far worse.

Also, before anyone brings up the IRA, the Brexit Party had a candidate in the Euro elections who is an actual IRA supporter. Like, supported the Warrington bombing. Claire Fox. Why does she get a pass?

nellodee · 03/09/2019 21:09

I've just done a quick cut and paste, and only chosen small sections of the abundant material available. The first is from an environmental action website criticising the Conservative government, the second is a small sample from the Labour Party's Green New Deal.

I'm not asking anyone to read everything.

But to try to make out that there is no difference between the positions and intentions of the two parties on environmental issues is absolute sophistry.

PhilSwagielka · 03/09/2019 21:10

Yes, we'll all die eventually, but there will be generations after us who live on this planet and surely they should have somewhere to live that isn't a toxic hellhole?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/09/2019 21:31

But to try to make out that there is no difference between the positions and intentions of the two parties on environmental issues is absolute sophistry. Did anyone do that?

As far as I can see you were asked 2 questions...

  1. So not the Tories because they are Tories?
  2. Why does that have to mean Corbyn?

That first tranche of info is from a Professor's blog on the LSE website. If you found it on an environmental action website I hope they credited its original author.

DdraigGoch · 04/09/2019 00:01

@Twillow Not that old twaddle again. Being an activist and supporting freedom fighters is not the same as 'supporting terrorists'.
Is that one of Bernard Wooley's irregular words? "I'm a freedom fighter; you're a terrorist; he's just blown up a stadium".

Maybe you'd prefer to live in a country where you had no opportunity to protest??
Are you really trying to suggest that murder is a legitimate way to protest?

Dapplegrey · 04/09/2019 00:13

Those who would welcome a hard left government should also have a look at what’s currently happening in Hong Kong

Yes. Incidentally has there been a thread on Hong Kong? I haven’t seen one.

SusieOwl4 · 04/09/2019 00:20

If we have this election will someone please tell me what labour will do about Brexit? Because I still don’t have a clue ? Liberals will cancel it . Conservatives will try and push it through . Labour ?

I have voted labour in the past but will never vote for Corbyn . But just interested in what current labour voters think the manifesto will say ?

The worst thing would be stretching this out any further , th damage to business of this total mess is happening now and is real.

Alsohuman · 04/09/2019 00:24

Labour will have a second referendum and campaign for Remain. At least that’s what Corbyn said this afternoon. Tomorrow could, of course, be different ...

Kokeshi123 · 04/09/2019 00:35

I am astonishing myself by agreeing with the OP.

I can't bear Corbyn, but Boris et al are probably just as dangerous.

SusieOwl4 · 04/09/2019 00:56

Another referendum , but they voted to revoke article 50 ? And Corbyn has in the past been very vocal about his dislike of the eu ?

Fgs another vote more delay. Just do it all at the snap election then and appeal to the millions who did not even vote in the brexit campaign .
Which mp / Brexit in or out / with no deal yes or no.

Do it in one go and th en let’s get on with.other issues .

Doubletrouble99 · 04/09/2019 00:57

Apart from the fact that I don't trust Corbyn to not tank the economy. I also don't see someone who will be at all decisive. He just can't make his mind up about anything and will procrastinate and procrastinate. It' s like he doesn't want to take responsibility for anything. He constantly quotes what conference has said even though there hasn't been one for a year and things change so rapidly at the moment.

Graphista · 04/09/2019 01:04

"Hardly a conspiracy if its true." Exactly! On another thread recently a poster was desperately trying to convince me we had at least one left wing newspaper and was unable to do so.

"Do you really want a communist running the country?" He's NOT a communist he's a social democrat, but quite honestly if the choice was communist v fascist racist dictator then yes I'll take the communist!

"Because those of us who are old enough to have experience the chaos of the winter of discontent in the 70s fear the result of extreme left wing politics" speak for yourself! But you don't speak for me or many other older voters.

"He supports terrorists."
A load of bullshit!
B what do you call Tory party collaboration with Saudis, the dup's hands are hardly blood free (though hardly surprising people in uk outside NI STILL ignorant of the fact there were terrorists on BOTH sides of the troubles as Protestant terrorism was barely reported here), Tory donors directly involved in arms trading to Islamic extremists...

"Plus the fact that Labour really don't give a damn about Women's Rights" you think tories do?!

"The “Corbyn spoke to terrorists” jibe is true" - "spoke to" is NOT the same as "supporter"