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To wonder why Corbyn is seen more dangerous than Boris?

122 replies

malificent7 · 03/09/2019 17:18

As I am struggling to see how anyone could be more dangerous that Boris and his awful cabinet.

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NoBaggyPants · 03/09/2019 17:56

Performance related pay is not widespread. It's more common than it used to be, but it's still not the norm and it's far from even.

If you are claiming that these things are already widespread, then I fail to see your issue. You're effectively saying that Labour's ideas already exist. Superb! Nothing to get your knickers in a twist about.

Gone2far · 03/09/2019 17:57

Look at the bunch of idiots on the shadow front bench, with all the decent mp's kept firmly on the back bench. Jess (it's all about me) Phillips, dawn butler, david lammy, Angela Rayner etc. I don't want them running the country.
Plus the fact that Labour really don't give a damn about Women's Rights and have spent the last 3 years sitting on the fence on Brexit for their own political ends.
The only ray of sunshine in this shitstorm is that a GE will hand them their arse on a plate, especially in seats away from the metropolitan bubble.

nellodee · 03/09/2019 17:57

As opposed to selling arms to countries which force children to become soldiers?

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/12/child-soldiers-arms-fair-trade

NoBaggyPants · 03/09/2019 17:58

@noodlenosefraggle, if you're referring to nationalisation, that's perfectly possible within the EU. Most of the EU's rail systems are nationalised.

Twillow · 03/09/2019 17:58

He supports terrorists.

Not that old twaddle again. Being an activist and supporting freedom fighters is not the same as 'supporting terrorists'.

Maybe you'd prefer to live in a country where you had no opportunity to protest??

nellodee · 03/09/2019 17:58

"New figures reveal that of the 23 countries listed by the UN for grave violations against children or where child soldiers are used, the UK sold military equipment to 19 during the past five years."

familycourtq · 03/09/2019 17:58

The “Corbyn spoke to terrorists” jibe is true. He has been honest about it. Margaret Thatcher also spoke to terrorists whilst repeatedly lying about it.

malificent7 · 03/09/2019 17:58

Why is inclusivity to be feared? Very odd...tribalism i spose.
I am a leftie personally but i am sceptical of Labour atm. Loathe the Tories with a passion. Uggggggrrr.

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TheBigBallOfOil · 03/09/2019 17:59

It was you advancing labours ideas as a change on the grounds that workers would add value at governance level, nobaggy. You need to decide if that really is a good idea or not. I’m not convinced.

TheBigBallOfOil · 03/09/2019 18:01

I’m going to cease contributing to this thread now - it’s a bit whiffy. Very reminiscent of previous election periods. Hmmm.

NoBaggyPants · 03/09/2019 18:01

Lammy and Philips aren't on the front bench @Gone2far.

The first posts on this thread pointed to the level of media misinformation about Corbyn and Labour. Lots of later posts have proven them to be entirely correct.

malificent7 · 03/09/2019 18:02

I thought Corbyn spoke to Jerry Adams and the IRA in order to form the Good Froday agreement ...which is now under threat by Boris.
I am anti terroist but let's be honest; the English ruined Ireland along with many other countries and like always, moan when we reap the consequences.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/09/2019 18:02

People cannot comprehend that a thoroughly decent person (not perfect because no one is), like Jeremy Corbyn You need to take off the rose tinted specs and have a close look at his political record!

I have a friend who thinks just as you do. She dismisses all evidence of his lies, position changing, shafting of running mates, political party and his eternal grabbing at personal glory as jealousy, misunderstanding or ' a minor imperfection in his thinking'. He is as dangeorus as Johnson, in quite different ways.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/09/2019 18:03

those of us who are old enough to have experience the chaos of the winter of discontent in the 70s fear the result of extreme left wing politics

Indeed. I'm paraphrasing a bit, but can't improve on a PP who suggested "everyone should experience a hard left Labour government once in their lifetime; the knowledge gained will guide their voting choice forever more"

And FWIW I'm another former Labour voter ...

TheBigBallOfOil · 03/09/2019 18:03

Ok I have to come back on that. Corbyn was nothing to do with the good Friday agreement. You’re either ignorant, gullible or a liar.

NoBaggyPants · 03/09/2019 18:04

No BigBall, I corrected a previous poster's misunderstanding about a recent newspaper article on company share values. I strongly advocate worker participation in decision making, and am fortunate enough to already contribute at board level through the non traditional path.

Great to see you advocating Labour policy. Good talking to you today.

zsazsajuju · 03/09/2019 18:05

I think he is incompetent and his policies don’t work. Boris is a self serving populist who doesn’t care about anything though so they are both equally bad

Gone2far · 03/09/2019 18:05

Labour are also fucked internally. We have a good local labour mp with a massive majority. On monday there was a meeting to discuss her deselection because she apparently doesn't represent the bame community in the constituency. And she IS bame
Labour is tied to momentum and until they can shake them off, they will never be electable.
Also, labour has to chose between being the party of the working class and the party of the middle classes. Though a ge would solve that problem, as they will lose the north.

TheBigBallOfOil · 03/09/2019 18:06

Not sure how much you’re contributing at board level if you can’t understand clear english ... easy to say stuff online tho ain’t it?

zsazsajuju · 03/09/2019 18:06

Jeremy Corbyn has nothing to do with the Good Friday Agreement. Neither did John McDonnel

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/09/2019 18:07

I'd agree with that too Puzzled and I am a life long Labour voter, from a long line of staunch Labour voters and party members, though personally I am an ex female party member.. I am now in a position where I have to, again, take my own advice and not vote Labour... easier than it might be as our local Labour candidate is an horrendously racist pillock and all round fuckwit.

zsazsajuju · 03/09/2019 18:08

Also I don’t think it’s inclusivity that is feared. It’s poverty and chaos and mismanagement. And economic ineptitude. All those things.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/09/2019 18:08

I thought Corbyn spoke to Jerry Adams and the IRA in order to form the Good Froday agreement What revisionist shit is this?

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/corbyns-links-to-proira-group-were-investigated-by-the-police-37230971.html

nellodee · 03/09/2019 18:11

Oil. Weapons. Pharmaceuticals. Exploitation of online data.

Profit for all of the above.

This is what you are voting for if you vote for the Conservatives.

How many of those will gain from moves to reduce carbon emissions? THAT is the only thing we need to be caring about right now.

We need taxes on carbon emissions, beef farming, plastic producing. We need someone who is going to make these things PAINFULLY expensive. We need to change.

Or. We. Will. All. Die.

At a time we should be investing in green energy, whilst we are cutting incentives to install solar panels, we are also offering billions in tax relief to oil and gas companies, and investing in fracking. We are not moving in the right direction, because the compass we are using to guide our path is not sustainability but profit.

The choices we make are no longer primarily about the economy, they are about whether we survive as a species.

We need to zoom out and see things from a hundred year perspective, and we need to do this 60 years ago.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/09/2019 18:12

Corbyn was nothing to do with the good Friday agreement

But surely he must have been? After all, we had a recent poster who insisted he actually drafted the thing … Wink