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Prince Harry - AIBU?

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barniee · 03/09/2019 14:13

Prince Harry saying "we can all do better" has really irked me- aibu?! He has every want and need satisfied while the majority of us and trying to do right by the environment whilst making ends meet. He is becoming very sanctimonious!

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joyfullittlehippo · 09/09/2019 18:57

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LaurieMarlow · 09/09/2019 18:59

We do know the price of Kate's equivalent dress. One was a Reiss dress off the peg, the other was a £56,000 gown.

Equivalent prices for their wedding dresses 250k versus 100k.

Dongdingdong · 09/09/2019 19:01

the money spent on it is tiny compared to what William and Kate have spent ripping out brand new kitchens and having tennis courts moved a few inches to the left.

I agree the tennis court thing in particular was extremely galling.

LaurieMarlow · 09/09/2019 19:02

I think it’s entirely appropriate that more money was spent on Kate’s wedding dress than Meghan’s, given that William is heir to the throne and W&K’s wedding was therefore a far more high profile event. Don’t you?

I’m not arguing with you.

But why is Meghan spending 56k on a dress illustration of her horrific extravagance, but Kate spending 250k on a dress not?

Dongdingdong · 09/09/2019 19:03

Equivalent prices for their wedding dresses 250k versus 100k.

As I said, Kate’s husband is heir to the throne whereas Meghan is a minor royal, so of course Kate’s wedding dress should cost considerably more. I’m not entirely sure whether Meghan and Harry’s wedding even needed to be televised really.

Dongdingdong · 09/09/2019 19:09

But why is Meghan spending 56k on a dress illustration of her horrific extravagance, but Kate spending 250k on a dress not?

Well, that was for one appearance for her engagement photos. The 250k dress Kate wore was bought for a far more important (and state) occasion that was watched by millions around the world.

Plus as I said, Meghan is a minor royal at the end of the day - Kate is not.

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LaurieMarlow · 09/09/2019 19:11

I’m not the one with a problem about how much they spend on clothes

But if we’re allowed to draw attention to how much less Kate spent on her engagement dress, in the interests of fairness, why aren’t we allowed to point out how much less Meghan spent on her wedding dress?

Total expenditure for each woman on both dresses (wedding and engagement) Kate approx 250k, Meghan approx 150k.

So Meghan spent 100k less overall.

Is that enough of a gap for you, considering their relative positions?

Dongdingdong · 09/09/2019 19:14

Is that enough of a gap for you, considering their relative positions?

I’d say so, yes!

Personally I’d like to see the royal family abolished completely once the Queen goes anyway.

LaurieMarlow · 09/09/2019 19:14

The posters telling us how much more of a right Kate has to spend money than Meghan, because she’s more important.

Are often the same ones complaining if Meghan doesn’t give us exactly the same degree of access to her children. No equivalency due to status there.

LaurieMarlow · 09/09/2019 19:15

I’d say so, yes!

Good, so can we stop harping on about the extravagant engagement dress?

I agree they should all be abolished.

coolandcalm17 · 09/09/2019 19:22

Yes me too. Why the hell people look up to them is shocking.

Sconesat4 · 09/09/2019 19:28

Kate's parents bought her dress. It was not bought from the public purse.
We assume that Meghan's engagement dress which was completely inappropriate was bought from the public purse? I can't see her paying for it herself, and although she may have got it discounted, it sends completely the wrong message in a time of austerity.
I somehow doubt Meghan even realised that this country is a deep depression and in a political mess - she doesn't seem much concerned at all with what is going on in the UK, she's craning her neck to see what's happening over the Pond the whole time.

Yes, The Cambridges spend a lot, but they give the impression of being good value for money. This may not be the truth, but they are clever in the way they portray themselves and they appear to care about the public and not to be interested in flashy wealth for the sake of it. This is the crucial thing. With the RF image is EVERYTHING. You can't afford to slip up, say something tactless, offend people who may become enemies, etc. The Cambridges realise this and don't come across as flippant or arrogant. Neither are they hobnobbing with rich and famous American celebrities.
I'm afraid the Sussexes come across as being very concerned about image, clothes, being seen with the right people, flaunting their wealth and privilege in our faces whilst having the temerity to lecture us about how we live ! Meghan should have realised that she needed to build up her profile over time, being careful to be mindful of precedent and protocol. She should have watched other members of the family for cues, asked for advice, stayed in the background until she had really gained her feet. I actually think the British public are extremely forgiving. However, affection is key. We gradually got to know Kate, we felt we liked her, approved of her. We enjoyed watching William and kate's relationship progress to the point where they married. Kate appears to come from a loving, normal affectionate family, and we like and relate to that. There has been no time to get to know Meghan in the same way. She started off with huge good will, but it's all disappearing down the drain very fast.

Meghan has just blundered in without any regard for listening, watching and biding her time. Harry has allowed her her head and not tried to guide her it appears. He's been swept along with her heady enthusiasm to 'change the world ' without uttering any words of caution. The only reason that someone would ignore advice and stampede ahead is either arrogance or stupidity. I'm not sure which in their case.

Camilla by contrast, married Charles with the worst possible image. She has totally turned it round by working hard, appearing relatable, quietly and respectfully going about her business in performing the expected role. Never a word of complaint has been heard from her, though at her age I am sure she would rather be sitting in her own home gossiping with friends, not sweating in a foreign country and shaking endless hands. Sophie has likewise turned around a shaky start with some unfortunate choices to become a real workhorse. A quiet, unassuming workhorse who doesn't seek the limelight for her own sake. We respect her for it.

As others have said, Kate and William are the future King and Queen. Meghan and Harry are in another league altogether. However, they want the houses and the perks and the clothes, but don't want to share photos of their baby or to give details of the Godparents or where he was born. It just strikes the wrong note completely.

LaurieMarlow · 09/09/2019 19:29

We assume that Meghan's engagement dress which was completely inappropriate was bought from the public purse?

It wasn’t, she had no clothes allowance at that point.

Sconesat4 · 09/09/2019 19:35

Do we really believe that she forked out £56,000 or whatever it was from her own savings then?

BertrandRussell · 09/09/2019 19:41

“I somehow doubt Meghan even realised that this country is a deep depression and in a political mess - she doesn't seem much concerned at all with what is going on in the UK”
Have you looked at the charities she supports?

IcedPurple · 09/09/2019 19:43

Equivalent prices for their wedding dresses 250k versus 100k.

The prices for bespoke couture gowns are never publically revealed, so it's interesting to see these figures being offered, with no reference to a source, as though they were hard facts.

LaurieMarlow · 09/09/2019 19:45

The prices for bespoke couture gowns are never publically revealed, so it's interesting to see these figures being offered, with no reference to a source, as though they were hard facts.

I’m just quoting what was widely reported in the press.

IcedPurple · 09/09/2019 19:48

I’m just quoting what was widely reported in the press.

Right. So what "was widely reported in the press" (although no sources have been provided here) about the royals must be believed and 'quoted' uncritically? Is that always the case or only when it suits your own preconceptions?

LaurieMarlow · 09/09/2019 19:48

Do we really believe that she forked out £56,000 or whatever it was from her own savings then?

What we know is that she didn’t have a clothes allowance at that point.

In terms of how much she herself paid for it, how much do any celebs pay for their clothes? Who knows?

BertrandRussell · 09/09/2019 19:50

As I said- rich woman wears expensive dress is hardly news!

Sconesat4 · 09/09/2019 19:51

I think the charities seem like a good idea from the point of view of seeming 'woke' , but she misses the point when she turns up there in extremely expensive clothes, so I don't think she fundamentally understands the concept.
Just like the flights . It sounds good to be lecturing us on the environment, but then she flies in a private jet for a few days holiday with a celebrity. Then flies again for a weekend to NY. These flights can not be truly offset. Her behaviour is at odds with the message she's trying to convey.
She hates the internet, yet she's on Instagram promoting herself and her activities, as well as those of her rich friends.
The writing on the bananas (oh, not that again!), just a bit yuk and feels wrong.
It's like she plucks worthy ideas out and puts them in her hat, then puts the hat on upside down.

BertrandRussell · 09/09/2019 19:54

Unfortunately, rich woman supports charities for women who lost everything in the Grendel fire, disadvantaged women returning to work and sex workers doesn't seem t to be headline news either.....

BertrandRussell · 09/09/2019 19:55

However, rich woman makes expensive temporary garden for no apparent reason is headline news....

SamanthaBrique · 09/09/2019 19:56

So a charity like Smart Works which helps women get back into work is now dismissed as "woke"?Hmm