Prince Harry - AIBU?

[barniee]

Prince Harry saying "we can all do better" has really irked me- aibu?! He has every want and need satisfied while the majority of us and trying to do right by the environment whilst making ends meet. He is becoming very sanctimonious!

Except Harry flying by private jet reduces the cost to the taxpayer.

Depends on who's paying, doesn't it?

And you've obviously missed the whole point of this discussion: The grotesque hypocrisy of posing as an environmentalist while taking 4 private jets - for completely frivolous reasons - in under 2 weeks.

I agree op. I know I could do better, and I also know I'm doing a lot better than he is. I think this sort of hypocritical pontificating from very wealthy people is harmful to the cause of environmentalism.

William and Charles both “preach” about the environment.
They are perfectly entitled to keep their baby private.
They aren’t secretive about anything else.
They do roughly the same number of royal engagements that W and K do.
And I didn’t mention racism, you did.

I don’t think either Elton John or Serena Williams are UK taxpayers, though I know Elton has a home here so I could be wrong about him.

Serena Williams is paying for Harry's holiday flights? I need details!

Not to mention that you're still ignoring the real point, Harry's blatant and hilarious hypocrisy.

“Not to mention that you're still ignoring the real point, Harry's blatant and hilarious hypocrisy.“
I’m not ignoring it. I am just pointing out that he is no worse than any of the others.

No you didn't mention racism but I've seen countless posts off you before where you'll defend MM and imply racism to anyone who criticises. By the way, yes they are entitled to keep their baby private, but that really isn't how the the royal family works. They're funded by the taxpayer, the taxpayer expects something back. Why shouldn't they be able to see their baby, what's the bloody harm FFS. Harry should stand down from office if he wants privacy.

Worse than winning awards for “raising awareness of climate change” then having two empty planes flown across the country so you can pap stunt about flying budget, on an airline that somehow mysteriously was able to accommodate the Cambridge’s vast entourage (probably taking up nearly half the seats on the plane) less than 24 hours ahead of time?

Yes, quite a bit worse.

But as I've said multiple times already, the fact that one of the only 'arguments' the Haz 'n' Megz fanz have are whataboutery, tells me all I need to know.

If you think taking 4 private jets in 2 weeks is fine, just say so. Nobody is buying the "but but what about this or that random royal?" line anymore.

By the way, yes they are entitled to keep their baby private, but that really isn't how the the royal family works.

I don't get this 'keeping the children private' line at all. Royal children are the most protected in the country. Think about how often you see the Cambridge kids. Maybe a few times a year, and in every single case sanctioned by their parents. Even if the press had pap photos of any of them, they'd be unlikely to publish them as the cost of pissing off the royals would be too great. Master Archie is 7th in line and doesn't even have a royal title. Why is his 'privacy' so much more important?

It's not about 'privacy'. It's about control.

“Why is his 'privacy' so much more important?”

It isn’t. But a repeated criticism of H and M is that they don’t publish pictures of him. I see no reason why they should.

Harry flying by private jet reduces the cost to the taxpayer

If the alternative's BA or whoever, I'm not sure how that works since it's not a publicly funded company? And if the trip's a private one, why would the taxpayer pick up the tab for a commercial airline any more than they should for someone's personal jet?

Why is your obsessive desire to see him so important, considering he’s so unimportant?

Ah, more of the emotive language and strawman accusations!

I don't care about him any more than any other baby, 'royal' or otherwise. All I'm saying is that royal children have better protection than any other children in the land, so the 'privacy' claims are nonsense.

Ah my mistake, I googled and it was Amal Clooney.

You mean for the product placement baby shower in New York last year?

I didn't think the taxpayer paid for any travel the royals take for personal reasons, though we do still foot the bill for their security. Can you correct me on this?

Do we disbelieve Harry when he says they only use private planes when it’s a matter of security? Presumably that means when there is an actual threat identified by their security staff. That should be easy enough to prove, surely?

That kind of travel is pretty standard in my circle and in many other circles. It’s certainly standard in royal or celeb circles. Yet it’s only unacceptable when Harry and Meghan do it.

Again with the whataboutery and evasiveness, with a little bit of humble bragging thrown in.

If you think taking 4 private jets in 2 weeks is fine, that's up to you. Some of us don't, certainly not when coming from a public servant posing as an environmentalist, and will say so and will continue to say so.

They’ve literally done nothing except refuse him a title

Do you have any evidence that he was even offered a title? When were the letters patent issued by the queen?

“All I'm saying is that royal children have better protection than any other children in the land, so the 'privacy' claims are nonsense”
I don’t think the privacy thing is about security, is it? Isn’r It just that they don’t want pictures of him to be made public. Which they surely have a perfect right to do.

Do we disbelieve Harry when he says they only use private planes when it’s a matter of security?

Considering that the trips they took were for entirely frivolous reasons, then yes. If there's such a threat, why travel for leisure purposes at all?

Presumably that means when there is an actual threat identified by their security staff. That should be easy enough to prove, surely?

Why 'presumably'? Are you suggesting that the security detailed advised them to travel to Nice for 2 days on Elton John's jet as a security measure? Surely if there was a threat, they would tell them just to stay home, rather than fly on some celeb's plane. It's not like they had to travel, is it?