If we have a General Election?

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How many of you would vote Labour if we had a General Election, just wondering as there have been a few negative comments on here about Labour recently

The utter selfishness of some posters. Voting for no deal because it’ll be over quicker? You’ll put the poorest of this country in a position so unimaginable, leavers call it fear-mongering because they’re too ashamed to admit what it will do.

No mustardscreams

It is scaremongering. Pure and simple.
Nobody can know for sure.

@Oliversmumsarmy, I’d probably be worse off under a Labour government. And I don’t care because, ironically, the Tories have made me better off than a lot of people, like those on universal credit, and it makes me feel very uncomfortable and guilty. Not everyone votes out of self interest.

KennDodd completely agree it utterly baffles me!

Those of you who vote Tory what exactly do you think they've done since getting into power this time round that has actually benefitted ANYONE but the wealthy? Because I genuinely cannot think of ANYTHING!

Even IF you set aside the brexit fucking disaster HUGE cuts to all emergency services, Nhs, education, social care, welfare benefits, housing, legal aid, armed forces, youth centres, leisure centres, prison services, libraries, employment tribunals, access to work scheme, careers services, foreign office, job centres...

How is ANY of that good for the country?

Are you voting out of independently wealthy self interest or...what?! I really don't get it!

Do those of you who vote Tory really think NONE of that affects you? People you care about?

VapeVamp12 why you lolling at labour potentially sorting economy? The complete myth of tories being better for the economy has been soundly and completely debunked!

"The way I see it. It was voted for, just get on with it now. It is ridiculous." No deal wasn't voted for! That's why even leave mps are railing against Johnson, even Tory ones.

I'm a remainer but a deal brexit sensibly handled would be fine but NO WAY do I want a no deal brexit! I'm already having trouble getting hold of meds, I'm in no position to build a significant stockpile though I'm doing what I can.

"Because the alternative is way worse." How?! Genuine question - how can pretty much anything be worse than the current shower of shite?!

"Those that think that wealth should be redistributed, how would you feel if it was your money, income, savings you had to share" I haven't always been in the position I am now, at times in the past I was much better off and I donated a significant percentage of my income to charity and I've also done loads of voluntary work in the past. As long as I have enough to live on with a little extra as a buffer for emergencies I'm absolutely fine.

People don't NEED huge houses, flash cars, latest tech, several holidays a year etc. People seriously seem to have lost sight of what is want v need.

CEO's of huge companies who's full time employees are having to claim benefits (inc tax credits) just to have enough to eat are taking the almighty piss! As are the very wealthy who have multiple houses sitting empty but their purchasing actions have/are pushing up housing cost, not to mention land hoarding! Dodgy landlords renting out substandard accommodation while tenants health suffers. Tax evaders who get piddling fines even IF they're caught.

Things like that DO need to be addressed.

Carrotcake - no we can't know for sure but many experts have made predictions based on likely outcomes from thorough research, the govts own "files" admit there is very likely to be AT LEAST short term shortages of food, meds and water purification chemicals - that would in all likelihood lead to deaths.

Safe labour seat here (great mp too, lives near me and commutes to London)

People don't NEED huge houses, flash cars, latest tech, several holidays a year etc. People seriously seem to have lost sight of what is want v need.

When people presume to tell me what I "need" and that they're going to confiscate the excess, the only effect that has is to guarantee that I'll be at that polling station come hell or high water, voting against them!

But many people want huge houses and flash cars

Always seems to be patronizing middle or upper middle class mp’s telling the masses they don’t need these things oh thanks for that deciding on what is better for me when you have all he choices that money brings you

If you have a huge house and flash cars, you have those choices @EnthusiasmIsDisturbed. I want everyone to have choices.

No I don’t have those

I want them or the choice to have a them

Not to be told they are not needed in life I can make that choice myself

And Corbyn and many like him don’t want them for everyone or the choice he doesn’t get why people want them he doesn’t not recognize that many WC people want what he has ALWAYS had access to, they want to privately educate their children, they want the expensive cars I don’t know anyone who has made money from having nothing that lives a frugal life that is a very typical MC and UMC attitude

I've always voted LibDem or Labour in the past, but now I just don't know. I would probably spoil my ballot.

Labour have nothing against folk enjoying the benefits of their success BUT that success should not be at the expense of their employees

So fair wages and benefits, commensurate with what the directors take from the business and want for themselves - can anyone really defend that guy from Persimmon who got a £75m bonus for doing SFA ?

Why should a CEO take 150x the average wage of the workers on the shop floor?

What the super rich should remember is that in very unequal societies, the poor have zero respect for your life and will kill you for a few pounds.
I 've seen this in Pretoria when robbers rapped and burned to death our near neighbours.

A Labour govt will bring about a far fairer society than the Cons under Boris ever could.

I’m not a Corbyn fan, but will vote labour.

I don’t think labour will win though. However I expect Boris is a tad anxious about an election given that his majority reduced by half at the last election.

Not every high earner is an employee

You really think Labour will bring in such tax laws after brexit when we shall need to keep high earners here especially in the financial industries - it would be a foolish move as people will look after their own interests. This country has always been a conservative country with a little c - freedom for business to grow without too much interference and lowish tax paid to the government

Plus find the money to renationalize the railways and whatever else, save the NHS (flogging a dead horse there as there are other alternatives to the US system) by increasing income tax just for the rich that we shall all pay for in some way or another

You work with what you have we are not and never have been a socialist country and neither have we been a far right country (as some social demarcate countries have been and have far right parties in their equivalent of HOP holding influence)

Labour need to be more central to appeal to more voters

The Tory "government" has been stockpiling bodybags since February because they expect the UK mortality rate to go up in the wake of Brexit.

That sentence is all you need to read about the Tory party.

I'd vote labour

I'd vote whoever is most likely to get rid of the tories, and as the Lib Dem's sided with the tories before and are responsible for us ending up with Dave Cameron and Brexit, it looks like labour are the only ones who can be relied on

People don't NEED huge houses, flash cars, latest tech, several holidays a year etc

How do you know what people want or need.

I can fit all my clothes and shoes into a small rucksack.

That is all you need so why do you own multiple pairs of shoes, dresses, skirts, suits and shirts etc.

Have you lost sight of what you need

Why don't you get a small ruck sack, fill it with clothes and give your excess clothes away.

The way I see it. It was voted for, just get on with it now. It is ridiculous." No deal wasn't voted for

Leaving the EU was voted for. Deal or no deal. That is what people voted for.

For all those saying they can afford to pay out more under Labour .

How nice for you.

People with less income are really going to suffer if you are saying under Labour you will be worse off. But as long as you are OK with a little buffer for emergencies then that will be ok..

"Not to be told they are not needed in life I can make that choice myself"

I could fill this thread up with links to social housing threads full of posters telling tenants they should be grateful for what they have. When tenants have posted that they have no heating ,no running water for a full weekend, sewage in their back garden.

So when do tenants get the same courtesy.

Oh so if we are wanting things/possessions in life that money can buy (and most of all choices) we can’t be empathetic towards those that don’t have the money that buys them any choices

Such simplicity of the way people think

But you’re not one of those low income people, are you @Oliversmumsarmy? This is faux concern about other people disguising self interest.

Well I'm certainly not middle class! Very much working class having been born to working class parents and all working class grandparents.

Those reacting to my comments about "need" are actually very well proving my points!

Jasjas1973 exactly! It's obscene a CEO that does sod all being paid 10's of millions while their employees are needing to claim benefits and/or visit food banks.

"How do you know what people want or need." Common bloody sense!

Yes people need shelter but that doesn't NEED to be a 10 bed mansion where only 2 people live. Yes people need transport but it doesn't NEED to be a Porsche.
Yes people need food but it doesn't NEED to be champagne and caviar.

ESPECIALLY when facilitating luxury provisions for a minority means denying the majority ACTUAL NEEDS you know like all those homeless, using food banks etc

I don't have many clothes I probably could fit them in a small rucksack. I rarely buy clothes, I've 3 pairs of shoes. I've never been one for excessive consumerism.

HelenaDove - hear hear!

I want everyone to at least have a home and enough money to live on with a small safety buffer, I don't think that's exactly an outrageous or radical wish.

How do you justify billionaires avoiding tax while there are people literally dying of starvation because of Tory austerity policies? Collateral damage? Those people don't matter enough because they're not rich?

Cornyn as PM is amon the same level as out current clown.

Corbyn and Boris both need to do this country a favour and fuck off to the far side of fuck...and fast!!

But you’re not one of those low income people, are you @Oliversmumsarmy? This is faux concern about other people disguising self interest

But I was. Made all the worse by Labours 33.3% income tax.

I am not the one saying I will be alright paying more tax.

If what Labour consider to be worthwhile potential policies for discussion is anything to go by I won't have a business so won't have enough money to live let alone be left with enough to get by and a safety buffer.

Not that I have much to worry about.

After getting very excited and demanding an election and saying how ready Labour are for an election, when he was offered an election he said

Don't want one.

I highly doubt Corbyn will win a majority so he won’t have the power to implement all his policies. . It would be a coalition if Johnson is defeated. I believe no-deal Brexit will cause huge long term damage to the country. How can that be preferable?

After getting very excited and demanding an election and saying how ready Labour are for an election, when he was offered an election he said Don't want one.

Doesn’t want one yet. Correct choice imo to avoid Johnson timing GE to crash UK out of EU on a no deal.

Exactly Corbyn doesnt want one YET. The gaslighting of him over this is really something else.