to think "everyone will have the food they need" is a way of saying that food choice will be limited

[chomalungma]

It's what Gove said this morning when asked about food after Brexit.

"Everyone will have the food they need"

I am sure that's true....and who needs a wide choice of food anyway.

So do I need to get my name down on the allotment list then?

ElementsSong, I [HEART] that chart.

More food choice does tend to mean individuals eat more.

I hadn't even thought about infant formula. Just when I thought I couldn't get any more angry. Families and children will suffer. Johnson and gove will eat venison and drink wine. I hope they choke on it.

AutumnCrow

You might think it sounds 'stupid' but it has been proven in research to be the case:

"Meal variety has been shown to increase energy intake in humans by an average of 29%. Historically, research exploring the mechanism underlying this effect has focused on physiological and psychological processes that terminate a meal (e.g., sensory-specific satiety). We sought to explore whether meal variety stimulates intake by influencing pre-meal planning. We know that individuals use prior experience with a food to estimate the extent to which it will deliver fullness. These ‘expected satiation’ judgments may be straightforward when only one meal component needs to be considered, but it remains unclear how prospective satiation is estimated when a meal comprises multiple items. We hypothesised that people simplify the task by using a heuristic, or ‘cognitive shortcut.’ Specifically, as within-meal variety increases, expected satiation tends to be based on the perceived volume of food(s) rather than on prior experience. In each trial, participants (N = 68) were shown a plate of food with six buffet food items. Across trials the number of different foods varied in the range one to six. In separate tasks, the participants provided an estimate of their combined expected satiation and volume. When meal variety was high, judgments of perceived volume and expected satiation ‘converged.’ This is consistent with a common underlying response strategy. By contrast, the low variety meals produced dissociable responses, suggesting that judgments of expected satiation were not governed solely by perceived volume. This evidence for a ‘volume heuristic’ was especially clear in people who were less familiar with the meal items. Together, these results are important because they expose a novel process by which meal variety might increase food intake in humans."

Blibbyblobby but

Leavers have been saying "it's done, get over it" since more than 3 years ago, but as you say, it wasn't "done" straight after the referendum and it still isn't now, and it doesn't have to be

"Sorry, we've changed our minds" might be hard to spit out, but the alternative is so much worse!

Why are people trying to pretend the car crash planned can't be avoided when the car has brakes!

Britain's leaving the EU out of embarrassment

(There's a Mitchell and Webb meme floating around somewhere which puts it better...)

derxa the whole idea was facetious - the only way to make Britain self sufficient is so drastic nobody would want it, but yes, the grass will have to go, plus the millions of tons of wheat and barley fed to animals, and the maise, oats and soy.

Add in a tin of carrots and peas and make a shepherds pie with it, what is actually wrong with that?

One of life's greatest pleasures is good food. Doesn't have to be expensive, just fresh and nicely cooked. I really don't want to live on a diet of sozmix, smash and tinned veg. Life is supposed to be better after Brexit not worse, isn't that the point of it?

Given we grow potatoes and turnip and carrots etc which are all available in the winter, mash or mashed veggie type stuff will be fine though - probably wont need to break out the smash.

But the point is there simply won't be enough UK produce to go round to replace the lost imports.

but yes, the grass will have to go You're not having my fields. Or my sheep.

Unquoted primary sources, decontextualized responses ...

It's all so very Brexity.

Oh what a pretty graph TheElementsSong. Of course someone is liable to come along and accuse you of making it up, because their mate down the pub was talking to a fella in Tesco, that knows a farmer who said it’s all going to be fiiine. 😉

But derxa self sufficiency! Sovereignty! Belt tightening! Pulling together! Making sacrifices! Making the best of things! Patriotism.

The grass has got to go. Sheep too. Plant potatoes and onions and erect polytunnels on/ for the sunlit uplands!

erect polytunnels on/ for the sunlit uplands! DS and I were just discussing what we could grow in our new poly tunnel enterprise. We've got plenty of water here in the west of Scotland. We could set up some wind turbines. Bob's your uncle!

Gove not only said that everyone would have the food they need, but also that there would be no delays in getting fresh food into the UK.

His remarks have been called out.

A spokesman for the British Retail Consortium said: “It is categorically untrue that the supply of fresh food will be unaffected under a no-deal Brexit.

“The retail industry has been crystal clear in its communications with government over the past 36 months that the availability of fresh foods will be hit as a result of checks and delays at the border.”

Surprise surprise, Gove is a liar.

Sorry here is the link to the above story.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/b613ba6e-ccbe-11e9-b018-ca4456540ea6

derxa that's the spirit, that vegetable deficit will be rebalanced in no time.

11 billion pounds worth of fruit and vegetables currently imported into Britain - you've got a massive captive market, you'll be rolling about in sugar snap pea and tomato empire billions...

Mushrooms have a lot of potential too I feel - keep them in the dark and feed them shit, and all that.

Edna I'm only half joking The Clyde valley used to be famous for its tomato production green houses.

One of the reason SOME people's health improved during the war was the introduction of school dinners and workplace canteens. Slum dwellers with no access to storage or cooking facilities had been existing on bread and jam in many cases. British Restaurants were also set up to provide hot dinners at low cost. It wasn't just about health being improved by eating less.

derxa you could be a disaster capitalist and cash in on the tomato shortages Your descendents will be slightly sheepish and diffident about admitting the origin of the family fortune obviously...

Gove and Johnson will dine on roasted peasant. Sorry, pheasant.

If only we could ration people according to which way they voted. That would be fun...

I like this idea. You voted yes to leave, you get to choose last as its your fault.

God, yes, poly tunnels are the perfect addition to a flat with no garden space and there's plenty of foraging opportunities in inner cities and on big estates. Why don't people just do that?

War time, such a great time - dodging bombs, semi starved, forced to be shot at for many males, having property seized by the government, corruption, organised crime, black markets, kids sent off to become slave labour or sexually abused for and by strangers, but hey, they were thin and that's what matters!

What brexit has proven is that our education system (state and private) is the worst in europe, as no other country has been so stupid

Stupid and venal

I wonder if you have a normal BMI, if we should be over eating in the lead up to 31st Oct. Otherwise we’ll be the first to starve.

I’m only half joking.