to think "everyone will have the food they need" is a way of saying that food choice will be limited

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It's what Gove said this morning when asked about food after Brexit.

"Everyone will have the food they need"

I am sure that's true....and who needs a wide choice of food anyway.

Just seen a lovely post on another thread about how the shortage of the flu vaccinne will help the pensions crisis.

And still peddling the fact that it was the working class who voted Leave so basically suck it up.

DH is a pensioner We live in social housing and both voted Remain.

people are individuals not one big homogenous mass.

@Fatasfooook I hadn't thought about the wine!!!!

Utter utter bastards.

"In any case, most baby boomers did not experience too much rationing, it ended in 1954, rationing had been gradually lifted long before this date, so generally speaking, 'boomers had a far better diet than the generation that experienced it during WW2"

Yes, you've missed the inconvenient fact that those who are currently in the with eihties and nineties (exhibiting the greatest longevity) were alive during the war and their childhood diet was formative of their longterm health.

That link shows how, at a whole population level, the wartime generation is the longest lived yet. The older baby boomers will probably match that - there was still rationing during their childhoods and general wartime thrifty habits (and sense of what adequate consumption was) continued widely.

It took until,about the 1970s for habits to have changed, though I do realise elements of that are more subjective (when self-reported)

I've been angry about Brexit since the result. Im now also genuinely concerned. I've always had a deep down optimistic bit of faith that someone somewhere in government had a plan and knew this was all going to be alright. They really don't do they?

I got my Nans old garden Almanac out yesterday. She started writing it during the war when she got married and starting growing stuff to feed her family.Apparently now is a good time to plant hardy salad leaves... and spuds... I've ordered some top soil for my beds and am genuinely going to get down to starting to grow some food this week just in case. I know next to nothing about gardening...I'm not hopeful for my results.... I'm also going to raise the prospect of getting some chickens with our neighbours and see what they think...
What an absolutely insane situation we are in...but when politicians are saying 'everyone will have the food they need' -it's all a bit ominous isn't it?

The booze cruise will go back to its old form - before 1993 when excise duty was abolished across the EU.

You could get duty free allowances between UK and The Channel Islands (which have never been EU members) all along.

Yes, I spotted the "everyone will have the food they need".
Shifty decker.

Dh hadn't seen the Gove interview yesterday but when I told him about "the food they need" he immediately said "rationing".

it's appalling that the government are going down this route. They literally don't care.

Or fecker, even.

So the general consensus on this thread is that a no deal Brexit is good as it will lead to rationing and rationing is good for us so Brecit is actually fab?
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Brexit even.

Personally i am furious that we even have to consider this.

I'm furious too! If certain people have some kind of fetish about reenacting WW2 while living on turnips and sosmix they should have done it on their own time without dragging the rest of us into it. I did not choose this and I massively resent being forced to suffer the consequences of other people's ill-informed choices.

Interesting discussion this morning about the fact that this is happenng in November - when a lot more of our fresh food such as fruit and veg comes from abroad.

So the effects will be noticeable quickly.

People will notice it in the shops - despite any spin from the Government. I suppose some people will just carry on but it is not something that can be hidden by spin.

I massively resent being forced to suffer the consequences of other people's ill-informed choices.

That’s just how I feel and I know many others who feel this too. Anger and resentment, plus food and medicine shortages.

I wonder how all this will end.

malificent7 some people have tried to argue that but it's a far cry from the general consensus on the thread...

People who think Brexit shortages will be healthy are ignoring the fact that the shortages will be of vegetables and fruits, and the surplus usually exported is of meat (mainly parts of animals not eaten in the UK) and beverages...

This is why there's going to be a GE before 31 Oct. BJ is making all sorts of lunatic spending promises, which will be strengthened by the Chancellor this week. Then there'll be a GE, spend spend spend, Brexit manifesto. Tories win big, Brexit happens, disastrous consequences ensue but no matter, too late, Tory power secured and work begins on dismantling and handing over to private enterprise the costly NHS etc.

you've missed the inconvenient fact that those who are currently in the with eighties and nineties (exhibiting the greatest longevity) were alive during the war and their childhood diet was formative of their long term health

Its not me who is missing anything! try admitting you are wrong?

A baby boomer (the phrase you used) are people born between 1946 and 1964.... it is not folk in their 80s and 90s, they were born in 30s and early 40s...so not boomers.

But the point here is that that rationing did not have some miraculous affect on longevity, look to medical advances, diet and less demanding/dangerous jobs.

If brexit meant less processed food stuffs coming into the UK, i'd be a hardcore brexitier! but it will mean more, as once again fresh foods become more expensive, poorer folk will eat leven less healthily.

I spoke to someone who used a food bank recently and she said how limited their diet was and that they barely eat any fresh fruit or veg, but lots of pasta and carbs. She said she had put on weight and that she saw the effect it had on her DC energy levels and concentration.

My Remain voting Mum, lived through the war in Ireland as a teenager with relatives serving in the UK.
My Dad served in WWII but died in his 70s well before the referendum because he had suffered deprivation and malnutrition in the 1920s and 1930s. As had his Mum when she was carrying him. Something to aim for, eh?

For those suggesting we use local produce, this is what a friend whose family have a farm near Cambridge wrote to me this morning:

"Farmers in Cambs are unable to move the corn from a bumper harvest because of a chronic shortage of lorries and lorry drivers. The granaries are full and the surplus is piled up in the open in farmyards where the first autumnal rains will swamp and ruin it."

They are furious at how out of touch ministers are and how little is being done to avoid such waste.

The idea that the people running the country have any planning underway to ensure the complex logistics required after Brexit, even in the unlikely event of a deal, is naïve at best.

I'm worried about medicine. It was too hot the other day and the van delivering our medication into pharmacy got too warm and compromised all the meds which meant we didn't get a delivery for 2 days. I had patient after patient shouting at me and they only needed to wait 48 hours, luckily no life threatening medication in that time.
I eat the usual meat/veg/pasta etc and my mum's got enough food in the cupboards to feed the 5000. I think food might just be very boring and we'll have to cut down portions. It won't be a nice way to live. I'm hoping and praying everything will be fine, but I'm not so sure.

Skinnychip your friend gained weight when she used a food bank? Really?
The weight fell off me, and more importantly, off my (already borderline underweight) teenage daughter when I had to use one.
Pasta (and other 'carbs') aren't really that fattening, unless you eat an absolute fuckton of them.

@jasjas1973 That had me scratching my head too. Those in their 80s and 90s are The Silent Generation.

@Skinnychip Ive pointed that out many times on threads when fat shamers have insisted that poor people should definately not be overweight as they are not eating as much Ditto some posters on the food bank threads. Its the fact that it is all pasta and carbs handed out at food banks that increases peoples weight They are not eating often and are having no choice but to eat what the food bank gives them.

A homeless woman i see around quite a bit has put on quite a lot of weight due to food from the food bank she is having to use and takeaways people kindly buy for her. She has also lost quite a few teeth.

There was a bloke a while ago who did a documentary 60 Days on the Streets. He was shocked to find that he gained weight during those two months.

I must admit in looking forward to see the mental gymnastics the usual suspects on here who will still insist its easier for poorer people to eat healthily post Brexit I mean look ................its already started.

@feelingverylazytoday In general people will gain. If they are on carbs constantly There are people going without money for months on end, If they dont eat often but when they do eat its carb heavy the body will hang on to it because it doesnt know when its going to get its next meal.

Its bloody disgusting we have to have food banks at all but they were only meant as a stop gap. If people have to use them constantly all the time they will gain.

And if this isnt true how come there are so many on here advocating low carb to lose weight.

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