To think Prince Charles will be our last Monarch

[Jemima232]

Given that it could be another thirty years before Prince Charles dies, I was wondering if he will be our last Monarch.

I think that a lot will have changed by the time Prince William is due to accede the throne and that the Monarchy will have been abolished by then.

However I feel that in a modern society we should have a much shorter Civil list TBH. Aside from her own DC and GC we are paying a fortune for people we have never even seen!/

The Civil List was scrapped years ago. Only the ones that do engagements get any money from the Grant the Queen now gets. The cousins that still do engagements are all in their 70s and 80s so won't feature much longer, and none of their children do anything. Plus Beatrice/Eugenie/Louise/Zara were never included on it so it will naturally slim to only Charles' children and William's offspring

I think they may have more chance of staying around if they skip Charles, and go straight to William.

I've seen this "opinion" on here before - showing complete ignorance about the way our constitution works. It's not fucking X-Factor, fgs!

Exactly. It's not. Of course Charles has to come next.
It's a bit like "Princess Diana". She never had that title. She was "Diana, Princess of Wales" or "Princess Charles" (like Princess Michael). She wasn't born a princess.

The constitution could perhaps be changed as a PP said, I don't know how easy that would be. I think the RF wouldn't be keen, as it could be changed to make us a republic. I'd vote for that if it came to it.

If the rules aren't going to be followed then it might as well be a reality show with various people being voted in to the top jobs based on their cuteness. Or whatever.

(I know I will burn in pedants' hell for the following but did anybody else, seeing the queen described as "reining monarch", think: well, yes, she does seem a good horse rider?)

His love of rich food and wine is well known

I think you're confusing him with someone else. He eats sparsely and has been wearing some of his clothes for decades. He's not much of a drinker either.

I have fallen about laughing from reading the threads...Russians and French hey they got it right ..one has no time for civil rights and the other cares not for low paid workers who besieged Paris for months making it a no go zone! There is a lot of inequality these days mostly due to unsuccessful governments who only get 4 years to sort anything out...given the Tories have been in for an age and can't sort Brexit shows how divided we are. We may be a classless society but everyone is out for thier own! Do you think for one minute that not going to have a monarchy is going to help and proffer you? Not for one minute...much like the money promised to NHS if we left the EU it won't happen as greed will set in and it be the government who waste and squander the pennies! I doubt any self respecting Japanese tourist will want to come to this god forsaken island to see 'where' the queen once lived ...even if you thought to make it a hotel...it doesn't belong to her...much like when England was divided up due to conquests and overthrows of power ..it seems only those with property which now a days seems to be Chinese and Russian business consortiums hold the wealth of the country by the seat of its pants! However...back to unsuccessful governments over the years blaming each other for this and that despite global recession and another one looming, this will start in Germany by the way...and not because of Brexit.. the monarch has been served by 14 prime minister's, she offers constitutional advice which sometimes seems unheeded but tend to be the will of the people ..that's those who vote and what they vote for if parliament can actually remember by the time it leaves the bar and goes into session. When we went through some pretty tough times more recently I could only see small glimmer of niceness with a wedding and babies being born and talked about....it lifted spirits and I think the new generation of royals are trying to be...well bit more normal. It's nice to have something nice to listen to in dark times... otherwise we have Paxman and Robert Preston on TV continually making our lives and our kids lives miserable forever. No one votes....no one cares....it's just greed all around and if you can get your hands on some...there is no distribution of wealth and there NEVER Will BE...so...if you get rid of the monarchy you just have fat cats ...and lot of fat MPs who have 6 jobs a piece or as many businesses tucked under thier belt so they can get by on a rainy day with a few thousand of your hard owned quid in thier pocket! I think the saying goes ' I am alright jack so pull up the ladder' while we roll around in our own filth...burn the planets trees and squander resources so thier is nothing left for our children or grandchildren! Viva your rotten revolution..as the French say 200 years is too soon to make a judgement!

She's no different from a bloody Pharaoh

She was "Diana, Princess of Wales"

Only after her divorce. Prior to that she was simply HRH The Princess of Wales. Her own name didn't feature anywhere

It's the same with "Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge" only time that will be her title will be if she divorces, she's simply HRH The Duchess of Cambridge.

Newspapers are/were the worst for it and it would take them two seconds to check

"But we're constantly hearing that she must be kept out of politics"

Yes, this. I don't have massively strong feelings about the monarchy but people have always tried to tell me that the Queen is important because she functions as an important check and balance on the system. Clearly, this isn't the case, since both Leave and Remain camps have accepted over the last 24 hours that the Queen is just a "rubber stamp". In which case, the monarchy is ridiculously expensive for a tourist attraction.

She was "Diana, Princess of Wales"

Only after her divorce. Prior to that she was simply HRH The Princess of Wales. Her own name didn't feature anywhere

Right. Sorry.
I just meant she wasn't "Princess Diana" officially.
Any more than she was the "People's Princess" or "Queen of hearts". Officially.

We may or may not personally agree with Brexit, but it has been through the democratic parliamentary process multiple times.

But it hasn't. The referendum was either illegal due to the corruption of leave, or it was advisory which is what the government claimed in court.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/the-culture-secretary-said-the-eu-referendum-was-binding-it-wasnt

It would not surprise me if PC was the last monarch, he has made a few awful gaffs in his time.

I think William and Harry benefitted in the public eye (but obviously were personally devastated) by the death of their mother.

They were dragged down to London to take flowers from the crowd like performing monkeys.

I do think William might opt for a more Dutch style monarchy, small (by royal standards) stipend but less intrusion. The Dutch stipend is linked to that of civil servants.

I hope not because I love the Royal Family. Well, the "main ones".

They were dragged down to London to take flowers from the crowd like performing monkeys

Indeed.

It was a bad judgement-call IMO.

Ah - but maybe it was deemed necessary to make the Great British Public stop being angry with the Queen because she stayed at Balmoral instead of abandoning her holiday when the Princess of Wales died.

Yes- I remember the poor little boys looking so lost.

There is no place for them at all in modern society. We have people using food banks while that lot live their privileged life and seem to be untouchable. They are an embarrassment.

Fair play to Liz, though - she managed to meet Trump without reflexively ordering his beheading

I think it’s distinctly possible. A lot of the current goodwill (such as it is) towards the Royal family is personal to the Queen, and I don’t think either Charles or William can assume that it will automatically continue with them. I think it can be easy to forget how delicately balanced the RF’s relationship with the UK public is. In fact, it can turn very quickly and has done on a number of occasions (for example when there was the Windsor Castle fire and the big row about them paying tax - 1992?).
I’m ambivalent about Charles. On the plus side, he does appear to work hard (by RF terms that is), he has his ideas and causes and appears to be committed to them. The Prince’s Trust does some great work, for example. On the other hand, he does seem to be a bit of an old-style Royal, with a tendency to be spoilt, pompous and out-of-touch (although at least this is not as obvious as it used to be - I assume he has good advisers).
William though doesn’t seem to have any interest in anything much, and doesn’t even appear to have any enthusiasm for the role itself. His demeanour at public appearances is often truculent and sour-faced. His work ethic seems lacking, and I’m not sure anyone knows what his passions and causes are, or indeed if he has any. He and Kate make the occasional noises about mental health for example (or this supposedly huge “broken Britain” thing that Kate announced months ago and has been working on behind the scenes without us knowing any more about it), but there doesn’t seem to be much action, nothing that sticks in the memory. That’s up to him, I guess, but we don’t have to go along with it. Also, the obviously pre-arranged pap pics of the recent budget flights took the biscuit when William & Kate have been cadging freebie private flights off the Duke of Westminster for years.
I actually used to like William a lot and thought he’d do a good job, but IMO it’s just not panned out that way. Rolling the cute kids out for the occasional photo-op doesn’t really cut it.
Andrew has always been appalling IMO, and I hope he is feeling the heat finally.

Jemima Elton John as King ha ha, I think he'd make a better Queen.

It will be very interesting to see how the whole Epstein/Prince Andrew thing pans out.

And I seem to remember a thread that was started here a few weeks ago about Kate being pregnant again.

That turned out not to be true.

Probably the RF would like another media circus regarding yet another Royal Baby - but William and Kate will have to face the environmentalists if they do have one.

Well I think it's being made even worse, if that is possible, by all the bullshit about doctored photographs and flight records.

I think that Prince Charles will eventually become King, but only have that position for a short time,until William is fully trained up so to speak,and then he will become King.

But was just wondering if the royals ever sit around the royal dinner table discussing this issue ha ha, and also wondering,if they ever read Mumsnet,and then have a laugh about what people have decided what's best for them. !

I think that Prince Charles will eventually become King, but only have that position for a short time,until William is fully trained up so to speak,and then he will become King

PW cannot become King until PC dies.

Those are The Rules.

PW can't just take over being King because he has been trained up.

And as for them reading MN - it wouldn't surprise me if Kate did.

The French and the Russians had the right approach I think.

I agree. But what should we do with ours? Chop their heads off or shoot them?....

I don't actually think that we should kill them BTW, but definitely do away with them after the Queen dies. They really are so bloody lucky though when you look through history and see what happened to other monarchies, especially the two mentioned above.

In the Netflix series 'The Crown' the Queen's father, when he finds out that his brother was a Naz sympathiser, actually 'we are only here because they allow us to be'.'They' as in us the people of the United Kingdom Maybe they should remember that now?

I thought there was a rumour a while back that Kate was a Mumsnetter. Funny if true.

Re Andrew: the Palace has put out a couple of statements about this now haven’t they? That’s pretty unusual and I think indicates that Andrew is truly in the shit here. His “friends” and their theories about photoshopped pics are hilariously off the mark, but then he’s never struck me as to type to surround himself with people of intellect.

He may be the Queen’s son, but he’s quite a way down the succession now and therefore of diminishing importance. So there’s absolutely no reason IMO for the Queen to protect him, especially as he’s already causing some reputational damage.