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To think there will be riots?

853 replies

Anoni · 28/08/2019 10:51

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

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AuldAlliance · 31/08/2019 15:43

I consider a free press to where any person, company, cooperative is allowed to do so.
What does this mean? Allowed to do what? Run a press?

It’s very difficult to not be biased or have a specific opinion as everyone has one but prefer it when it’s at least avert.
And this? Averting what/averted by what?

yellowallpaper · 31/08/2019 16:19

There were plenty of demonstrations today, but no riots I think. We're just too British I think.

Purpletigers · 31/08/2019 16:23

People are too lazy to riot .

Graphista · 31/08/2019 16:41

Ligresa - genuine question how will no deal be disastrous for the eu? It's extremely unlikely to be a success for us, they're losing very little from our leaving the eu and what they do lose they will very quickly be able to replace from other eu countries and trade with the rest of the world.

"We'll be begging for deals from a crap position" exactly!

KennDodd · 31/08/2019 16:55

I have heard the Netherlands saying Brexit has been a great benefit to them so far as loads of companies have relocated from the UK bringing jobs and tax payments with them.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 31/08/2019 17:16

People are too lazy to riot.

Check out the news today. At least 60 anti-prorogation protests are being held in cities up and down the country.

That isn't to say there will be riots. But it also suggests that laziness and complacency might not be quite the allies Johnson and his supporters expect.

Suzeyshoes · 31/08/2019 17:26

@Dapplegrey
Totally agree that soon the paper press will no longer be peoples first source of information. Young people tend to watch online vids and social media. Much concern is being raised at the moment about far right influence on the internet which is snuck in between YouTube vids or in the form of social media ads and targeted at young people, especially males. Parents have no idea they’re being fed this kind of rubbish. I’ve definitely noticed a rise in far right hate speech in my (secondary boys) school. If we think we’ve got it bad now...

angell84 · 31/08/2019 17:29

I got told to fuck off back to own country yesterday. I am English. :(.

I spoke about it online on here, and a woman told me that she is English, but could pass for foreign with her colouring
. she said she was walking through a park and some one said to her: why are you here , go back where you came from, is that baby even yours, she looks too white. "

It is starting to become like the Nazi era. Who is British enough? If you even look like another nationality - you will be abused.

We need to be very careful in this country that we do not turn into a steaming racist mess

TheFastandCurious · 31/08/2019 17:35

lying and manilpulating IS NOT DEMOCRACY

I always wonder why people use this argument. Every single general election we ever had would be void if we go by this premise. Lies and manipulation are part and parcel of any vote unfortunately.

It also assumes that everyone relies on the views of politicians to make their voting decisions. Many people who voted brexit did not believe the ‘brexit bus’ slogan, many are people of colour, many are immigrants and many consider themselves ‘left wing’. MN seem to have no concept of Brexit voters aside from them being from one demographic. Completely naive.

Dapplegrey · 31/08/2019 17:42

Suzette I’m not on Facebook so I don’t see this. What form does the right wing influencing take?

Moo5ele55 · 31/08/2019 18:16

Loads of people believed the Brexit bus and wish they hadn’t, my parents included.

Elections are different as after seeing the lies and fall out you can kick them out in 4 years. Brexit is for ever. After seeing the lies and fall out you’re stuck with it regardless of how awful it is.

chomalungma · 31/08/2019 18:39

hat form does the right wing influencing take

I think YouTube is worse. Recommended videos if you watch certain innocuous videos...then they lead you down a rabbit path.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 31/08/2019 18:49

We need to be very careful in this country that we do not turn into a steaming racist mess.

Unfortunately it’s already too late. And Brexit, distasteful though it may seem to those who support it, is legitimising this attitude.

I’m sorry that happened to you. 💐

KennDodd · 31/08/2019 21:44

Many people who voted brexit did not believe the ‘brexit bus'

Even Dominic Cummings has said they wouldn't have won with the NHS lie.

ReanimatedSGB · 01/09/2019 00:53

It's always the right-winger, pro-Brexit fucking idiots whining and crying that other people are being meeeeeeaaaaaan to them. They call everyone else 'snowflakes' for not being terribly keen on racist/sexist/hompphobic language but the minute they are challenged on anything at all (like the utter dishonesty of the Leave campaign) it's waah, waah, leftwing bullies...

Blibbyblobby · 01/09/2019 02:23

Every single general election we ever had would be void if we go by this premise. Lies and manipulation are part and parcel of any vote unfortunately.

No. No they are not. “Spin”, aka presenting facts in the best light for you and keeping quiet about the ones that harm you is part and parcel of politics. Manifestos are written in the knowledge they are unlikely to be fully delivered because they are based on what a party will ideally do once in power rather than what turns out to be possible of a priority once they get there.

But this new populist approach of straight out lying and then smirking and doubling down when challenged, this is new and very dangerous to democracy. It’s like the pitch is now “vote for me, you know I’m lying but I tell lies you want to be true so you can see I share your values. The other guy, he tells the truths that you wish were not true so he’s not on your side at all, he’s a traitor to your values”

On the same subject:

I have seen the “we don’t care that Leave/Boris lied because politicians always lie” line from a few Leavers. I guess if that is their expectation of their own politicians it does explain why they’ve been so passive about the massive No Deal bait and switch.

I find it weird when Leavers unpick the wording of the Red Bus, or Boris’s earlier rejection of prorogument, or similar statements to show they were not technically a lie, just very misleading. Fair enough you might expect that from the other side, but to be ok for the people on your own side to deliberately mislead you as long as they don’t technically lie? What’s that all about?

In a similar vein, when Leavers say “well all politicians lie, Leave voters didn’t actually believe them”, I think “well your politicians clearly thought telling those lies would benefit them somehow, so why do you think they did it if they didn’t expect to be believed?”

TheFastandCurious · 01/09/2019 15:21

In a similar vein, when Leavers say “well all politicians lie, Leave voters didn’t actually believe them”, I think “well your politicians clearly thought telling those lies would benefit them somehow, so why do you think they did it if they didn’t expect to be believed

That’s not the point. The point is that there are many people who would have voted to leave irrespective of what politicians have lied about.

The other thing I cannot understand is this narrow view that only racist people voted for Brexit or right wingers. Jeremy Corbyn gave a very impassioned speech in the 1990’s against the EU. He spoke passionately about its insidious nature (he believed.) He was hard left then as he is now. Was he racist then?

I agree it was probably fuelled by racism but I wonder if it’s now more of the case that as anyone that voted to leave the EU is automatically assumed to be a ‘fucking idiot racist’, anyone that voted out for any other reason than wanting limitations on free movement would choose not to speak about it.

Blibbyblobby · 01/09/2019 15:48

That’s not the point. The point is that there are many people who would have voted to leave irrespective of what politicians have lied about.

But were there enough of them to get a majority? Presumably not, otherwise there would be no need for the lies.

TheFastandCurious · 01/09/2019 16:19

You’re right blibbyblobby. Undoubtedly appealing to people fearing the freedom of movement of people tipped it. The vote came at a time when terrorism, wars and austerity were all over the news. As I said, I believe the win was fuelled by racism. Or rather, xenophobia (important difference imo) but deciding on leaving or remaining in the EU is so much more complex.

I feel on this site there are so many people who are so busy virtue signalling their anti racism views because they voted remain. Yet they seems to be a great deal of ignorance around who voted leave and why.

There has been an embarrassing lack of dialogue around Brexit. I wish I could find the thread I posted (under a different username) a couple of years ago. I said I felt fearful of Brexit winning because the entire campaign went like this;

Brexit; Immigration will reduce.

Remain; Our country will go to shit if you listen to them.

There are so many benefits to eu membership that nobody felt people needed to hear.

In addition, those who possibly would have voted to remain had it been discussed more robustly/ maturely were not given the facts. It’s depressing.

TheFastandCurious · 01/09/2019 16:21

Sorry that’s so badly articulated I don’t even know if anyone will understand that Confused

Meadowland · 01/09/2019 16:33

The real worry is that people will believe Boris's pledges of money to NHS, education etc.

gilliansgardenbench · 02/09/2019 15:26

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Dapplegrey · 02/09/2019 16:14

Keto maybe you should direct your anger at the farmer who abandoned the puppy. Or do you think all Tories are automatically cruel to dogs?

MyCatsHat · 02/09/2019 16:24

It seems like the most unbelievably crass image-handling. I'm great, look I just promised ££££££ for public services. Oh look I adopt rescue puppies. Now I'll just remove your democracy while you're looking over there. Confused