To think there will be riots?

[Anoni]

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

@Graphista just slipping this in The new Boots Health and Beauty mag has an article on the gender health gap

Hmm - whilst I sit on the same fence/pov/perch as Xenia does generally, I do find currrent events quite interesting and am quite intrigued by the next turn that Parliament will take next week.

Oh really Helena? Is it available to view online do you know?

am quite intrigued by the next turn that Parliament will take next week

Yep

AFAIK its print only Graphista.

I struggle to listen to the views of Brexiteers who I know when they come out with reasons why they voted Brexit which, when you examine them with them, don't add up and when you tell them how things really work, they try to change the subject - I've had to teach people about the Customs Union, Schengen, the Norway / Sweden border, Swizerland and the NI border. They didn't know and were coming out with false statements

MASSIVE EYEROLL

Way to make the pp’s point for them Ligresa!

No actual counter argument then?

No understanding of why people wanted Brexit then?

Yes, but as people have described, a lot of people wanted it for reasons that make no sense, like they want to get rid of immigrants. Then when it’s explained to them that brexit won’t mean no immigrants, they have no argument.

No understanding of why people wanted Brexit then

I get why people wanted Brexit. But when people who I know explained what they wanted in the future trade wise and pointed to other countries which they thought had a better deal, it became apparent they didn't have a clue. If I have to hear about Norway and Switzerland having no borders, I will scream - having been to both those countries.

It also became apparent that the Leave voters who I have spoken to didn't know about the GFA and the border issue.

They knew why they wanted to leave. But when they were told about the Swiss arrangements and Norway arrangements, they were surprised.

a lot of people wanted it for reasons that make no sense, like they want to get rid of immigrants

There are a lot of intelligent people who do not think the EU is good for the UK.

There are a lot of intelligent people who do not think the EU is good for the UK

Of course people have their reasons. Perfectly valid ones.

It just gets frustrating to hear people who you know in real life come out with comments like "well, Switzerland isn't in the EU and it doesn't have a border," or "Norway isn't in the EU and it doesn't have a border or checks" - and then having to tell them about Schengen, the Customs Union etc...

Do you ever meet anyone pro Brexit who you don't have to educate?

Do you ever meet anyone pro Brexit who you don't have to educate

In my little filter bubble, it's rare to meet many pro-Brexit people.

I can't believe that in this day and age anyone gives a shiny shit about the Press! I won't have newspapers in my house. I was brought up with my hardcore Stalinist mother reading her favourite newspapers from cover to cover and responding purely based on what she read. Her favourite newspapers were The Morning Star and The Times talk about cancelling each other out!

There may be a lot of intelligent people who voted Brexit and I would b e happy to listen to their intelligent, based-on-fact arguments.

However the ones who voted for it for baseless, untrue reasons, either because they believed lies or they just convinced themselves that, for example, Brexit means we can kick out Muslims, almost certainly made the difference that caused Brexit to win the referendum. They don't all have to be irrational, gullible or xenophobic for Brexit to have won, but that did make they key difference. Which is why it is frustrating as a remainer to see this disaster happen and know that a good chuck of those who voted for it aren't going to get what they thought they would. They are just going to get poorer and live with worse crime and more cuts and a crumbling NHS, yet we'll still need immigration just like before.

Ignore the idiots and their faux outrage, proroguing government happens nearly every year but they are not happy that it is happening when Brexit is finally processed! :)

Whilst I acknowledge the bias in the media outlets / press I do struggle to understand what Graphista considers a free one. Not owned by billionaire tax exiles ok. Then what? Just whoever agrees with them I imagine.

I consider a free press to where any person, company, cooperative is allowed to do so. It’s very difficult to not be biased or have a specific opinion as everyone has one but prefer it when it’s at least avert. Perhaps they should all have a big strap line on the front page saying this publication is owned by x domiciled in z for transparency. Wouldn’t object to that

Why are we still doing the Leaver = working class Remain = middle class thing

@Rufusthebewilderedreindeer From the Joseph Rowntree Foundation:

The poorest households, with incomes of less than £20,000 per year, were much more likely to support leaving the EU than the wealthiest households, as were the unemployed, people in low-skilled and manual occupations, people who feel that their financial situation has worsened, and those with no qualifications.

www.jrf.org.uk/report/brexit-vote-explained-poverty-low-skills-and-lack-opportunities

Well this happened

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-49526876
Riot police deployed following Govan demonstrations

Riot police, mounted officers, a helicopter and dog units have been called in following an Irish Unity march and counter protest in Glasgow.

The planned march through Govan, by the James Connolly Republican Flute Band, was met by hundreds of "disruptive" counter demonstrators.

Police said this led to "significant disorder", with Govan Road blocked by officers.

Witnesses reported the use of smoke bombs.

The Irish Unity march was planned to start at 18:30 in Elder Park, Govan. But it was met by a counter demonstration of "several hundred people" from loyalist groups at about 19:00.

As I said. Brexit related but not Brexit directly.

Please don’t reduce Scottish or Irish sectarian issues to a lever in your argument.

That did not have anything to do with Brexit.

What do you think the argument with the Irish border is doing?!

Ffs are you that naive?

Appears to be a long-standing dispute:

August 2016
"AN IRISH REPUBLICAN march scheduled to take place in Glasgow this weekend has been cancelled after police in Scotland expressed fears of serious disorder and violence."

"The parade was arranged by Independent Republican Bands Scotland (IRBS) to mark 45th anniversary of the introduction of internment in Northern Ireland on August, 9 1971."

"Police advised that if the march went ahead on Saturday “there would be a high risk to public safety, a high risk of public disorder and a high risk of disruption to the life of the community".

"The risks could only be contained by "substantial deployment" of Police Scotland resources, including specialist public order trained officers."

"In 2014, an anti-interment parade in the Castlemilk area of Glasgow led to 12 arrests after fighting broke out, with mounted police and dog units being called in to manage the unrest."

www.irishpost.com/news/irish-republican-parade-set-to-be-stopped-in-glasgow-96313

Dongdingdong

The poorest households, with incomes of less than £20,000 per year, were much more likely to support leaving the EU than the wealthiest households, as were the unemployed, people in low-skilled and manual occupations, people who feel that their financial situation has worsened, and those with no qualifications.

I can see that. Middle class people have ignored for years the impact that mass immigration has had on wages and available work.

Ffs are you that naive?

No, I am old. These problems existed in Glasgow before the word Brexit was dreamt up. Regardless of outcome or process, they will continue to exist.