To think there will be riots?

[Anoni]

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

"72.2% of the population voted in the referendum. Why did the others not vote." Lots of reasons why people may not have voted, in addition to the obvious indecision and those who think voting on anything is "pointless" (like my ex) there will also have been people who died just before the vote and their deaths too close to the time to be removed from being counted as potential voters, those who became incapacitated, women who were in labour/giving birth, all the carers who's carees needed their attention, people who were on holiday/travelling with work etc. As with any vote there's always some who don't or can't vote.

On this particular issue I've spoken with many who would have voted remain but didn't vote as they (clearly wrongly) didn't think the leave voters were so many, which is also not to say that there may well be others who didn't vote who assumed leave would win too.

Unfortunately I've found there's still a scarily large number of people who are unaware that ANYONE can apply to have a postal vote, you don't even need a "reason". My parents have been postal voters for years, they chose to do so because of dad being in the army, I've been a postal voter for several years as I suffer from agoraphobia which can at times mean I'm housebound, certainly I can't guarantee I'd be having a "good day" where I can manage the difficulties of voting in person, dd has decided to be a postal voter as she works shifts which can include long days where she may well not feel like trekking across town after a 12 hour shift to vote, she's not long 18 so hasn't had occasion to vote yet but is an engaged and interested person and has organised herself.

"We are not a great country and have very little to be proud of. Don’t think we’re that strong either, just divided which is only going to get worse. Pretending to be positive when there is little to be positive about really isn’t going to stop the shit from hitting the fan." Exactly. Too many Brits labouring under delusions of grandeur when it comes to how little power and influence we actually have in the world.

Gbtch - my search function isn't working properly, perhaps another mners who is can check? But I'm pretty sure I remember you as being a pro-tory leaver? Whenever I try and search I get "were you looking for gbtc" but then I wonder if that's why you've chosen such an odd username.

JudgeJudy I completely disagree! Yesterday's events in particular show how democracy is clearly being eroded in the uk. Just because we're not (yet) at the point of being unable to discuss dissenting views in cafes and online DOESN'T mean we have democracy, it just means we aren't (yet) living in a totalitarian state. The official silencing & obstruction of our elected representatives is outrageous! It is the very opposite of democracy.

Mariels post is ALSO spot on! We DON'T have a truly free press, we DON'T have a true democracy.

"It wasn't just Cameron, it was the Metroplitan Elite MPs of all parties over 10/20 years that turned huge swathes of the country against their traditional political parties." Have to say I agree with this. For me it's particularly obvious in self proclaimed "lifelong Labour supporters" who actually have only voted for new labour and don't have any understanding of labours true roots and ideologies.

"It’s very easy to be sweet and forgiving when you wont suffer." Definitely.

"Marie Please look at the meaning of democracy in the dictionary and then consider your views more carefully." How Fucking patronising! And actually shows you don't even practice what you preach! Mariels and others opinions on what democracy is are JUST as valid as yours - based on your own argument that everyone's beliefs and opinions should be respected.

And I don't recall ANYBODY on this thread seriously "calling for" riots merely commenting on if we think they're likely in response to the op. (In addition the phrase you use in the first sentence of that paragraph is bigoted and unacceptable - please ask mnhq to edit it)

"Change the record Marie aren't you bored of banging this line out for over three years." Yep true colours coming out now!

"Let's all be nice to each other...unless you disagree with ME!"

"It was in the Tory party manifesto on which he ran. Why would he not have called a referendum?" Many things are in election manifestos that are forgotten post election if inconvenient!

"Where do you get this stuff? He's told his trade minsters that the NHS is off the table." You mean like he said he wouldn't prorogue?

"He is a lying scumbag who just says what is best for Boris Johnson at that moment." Damn straight!

We DON'T have a truly free press

Graphista what you consider to be a truly free press?

YY Graphista. No one is calling for riots on this thread ,just discussing the real possibility that they could happen There is quite a sinister gaslighty undercurrent on this thread accusing people of calling for riots A silencing tactic i suspect.

The only reason Corbyn is seen as hard left is because the overton window has moved so far to the hard right.

we are so far apart on so many issues. The contry is divided in two which is a shame. I hope we can all listen to views of others with respect and humility and that we can somehow all continue to live in a civil fashion with each other -whatever we are, left, right, remainer, brexiteer, old and young.

I hope we can all listen to views of others with respect and humility and that we can somehow all continue to live in a civil fashion with each other -whatever we are, left, right, remainer, brexiteer, old and young

I struggle to listen to the views of Brexiteers who I know when they come out with reasons why they voted Brexit which, when you examine them with them, don't add up and when you tell them how things really work, they try to change the subject - I've had to teach people about the Customs Union, Schengen, the Norway / Sweden border, Swizerland and the NI border. They didn't know and were coming out with false statements.

I also struggle to think we will be reconciled when nearly half the country voted to Remain and we are taking the most extreme of views in the referendum as our way of leaving.

That's a shame. Most people are happier and nations do better when we can listen to others with tolerance and compassion. I see little of that sadly on-line but that is not the real world. Off line people tend to be kind and respectful of others and I am sure that will continue.

We don't know yet if we will leave without a deal. I hope Labour MPs can approve the withdrawal agreement and then we can get it through.

My mum said the final straw for her was the grooming scandal. She is absolutely convinced that the only reason the Muslim heritage perpetrators were in the UK was because of FOM, her main reason for voting Leave was to get rid of Muslims, there is no moving her from this. This was Christmas, my job was under threat at the time because of Brexit (I survived the Brexit cut but colleagues didn't) she had absolutely no regrets voting Leave, my job was just collateral damage as far as she was concerned.

Should I be kind and respectful of her veiws?

@KennDodd
My aunt spent hours harping on about wanting to leave the EU because of the immigrants when my husband is French and she knew full well he would lose his job if we left. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you don't have to be outright insulting to be rude. Some people's opinions can be really offensive, even when they are said in the 'right' way.

I also struggle to think we will be reconciled when nearly half the country voted to Remain and we are taking the most extreme of views in the referendum as our way of leaving.

I completely agree

Redtoothbrush you sound as if you are looking forward to riots. Hope they don’t take place in your home town.

Someone posted to the effect that we can't have Riots, we are British. Which is utter bullshit, and that's why I posted about recent history of riots which clearly the poster had forgotten.

I certainly don't want riots. My suspicion is that socially we are at a point that all it needs is a spark. This will be for a combination of reasons; not Brexit alone, but Brexit certainly will be fuel to the fire.

I think I felt that the comments about not having riots because we are British is very reflective of the idea that riots are something that happen to other people and not where I live.

Which I think naive and shows up the cracks once again. It could happen in 'nice places' under certain circumstances.

And no I absolutely don't want riots. I used to live somewhere which was two streets where a riot was going off. Its not nice. And I was very glad I wasn't in London nor Manchester in 2011 as I know a few friends who were and were terrified.

Reflecting on history and the possibility of riots is very different from actively wanting them.

But I think you know that and that's post was deliberately trying to twist my words to score points.

Graphista
Thank you very much.

Oh and I think Johnson couldn't care less if there was Riots as long as it does ruin holiday

"Graphista what you consider to be a truly free press?" One not owned by tax exiles and hampered by being restricted on reporting fully on the royal family for starters!

"The only reason Corbyn is seen as hard left is because the overton window has moved so far to the hard right." Absolutely. He and the current Labour Party are actually pretty centrist. SO MANY mners posting about labour and Corbyn who're believing the myths being spread by the right wing press and who have zero knowledge/understanding of the history of the Labour Party (eg "they're too beholden to the unions" - A they're roots are in the union movement essentially it was unions STARTED the Labour Party B same people usually know sod all about unions! Without the unions we wouldn't have lunch breaks, annual leave, employee health and safety protected let alone - particularly pertinent for MUMSnet maternity leave and the equal pay legislation!)

I seriously wonder how people feel qualified to post certain comments on political matters when they clearly have no idea what they're talking about!

"Off line people tend to be kind and respectful of others and I am sure that will continue." That's not my experience! As someone who is sick/disabled but not visibly so and has a dd and other loved ones similarly affected health wise I can assure you the nasty comments and poor treatment we get in real life are increasing, some have lost their jobs as a direct result of the leave vote, my family & friends who are not white, follow faiths other than Christianity and dress in ways that indicate this have since the referendum was first announced experienced the most appalling bigotry/racism including completely unprovoked violence and vandalism of their cars/homes.

Xenia - How about those of us with THOSE experiences become more tolerant to others opinions when THAT crappy behaviour stops?!

Auldalliance - no problem that poster being bonkers!

I definitely don't want riots! I have a brother and friends in the police and other family and friends in the military THEY are at risk if riots kick off. But it's foolish to deny the possibility.

I don't think Johnson gives a flying fuck if there's riots as long as they don't personally affect him and his! And if they do he won't take any Fucking responsibility for his part in bloody causing them! In pissing people off by denying them access to democracy and silencing dissenting opinion...

...what do we call countries where the leaders do that again?!

Yep DICTATORSHIPS!

Helen!
Didnt you see the posts after leavers March and before desperate for trouble, constant mentions of Tommy Robinson, don't go leavers it will kick off.

Momentum on this occasion does sound like they are after trouble!

Leavers have calmy without riots put up with three drawn out years of empty promises, goal posts moving, and people like bercow, abusing his position to assist the side he wants to over turn a democratic vote.

There have been quite a few posts on here from people that say the6 voted leave threatening riots if ldave doesn’t actually happen

So I don’t think that some people who say they voted leave are being calm at all...in the slightest

That should be they obviously

I hate my ipad...stupid thing updated itself and its not been the same since

Graphista what about the Guardian and the Independent and the numerous online news and left leaning opinion outlets?
They’re not owned by tax exiles (as far as I know)

Actually is the Independent owned by Lebedev? I don’t know what his tax status is but I guess he doesn’t pay much tax in UK

Chom, why limit this teaching of facts to leavers whom I am sure kindly welcomed your superior intellect and thoughts.

Plenty of Remainers also voted for reasons like, we won't be European anymore, we can't visit or live there or work there.

Or the extra visa charge they may get if they do go abroad or that their holidays may cost more.

If teaching is your calling don't deny renainers your wisdom.

"Off line people tend to be kind and respectful of others and I am sure that will continue"

Not my experience either. Im a full time carer and the SAME person whenever she serves me in a local supermarket asks me without fail every time. Why arent you working? So not working then? She knows my personal circumstances because we used to work together 16 years ago. Yet brings it up every time. When we used to work together she used to intimate that DH was a malingerer and that she wouldnt put up with it (this was just before his heart attack) yet would frequently allow colleugues to run off from behind the till because some useless husband was stuck in the supermarket because he couldnt fold a fucking buggy.

People are not respectful of each other especially if they consider you to be beneath them.

why limit this teaching of facts to leavers whom I am sure kindly welcomed your superior intellect and thoughts

The person at work brought up Brexit. She mentioned why she voted for Brexit and what she thought should happen, mentioning a particular system and country. When I explained to her how what she thought this system was was incorrect - she had just heard a few soundbites and wasn't aware of what it was actually like, she just said that she didn't know about that and tried to change the subject.

Nothing superior - just aware of the facts

y of Remainers also voted for reasons like, we won't be European anymore, we can't visit or live there or work there

Or the extra visa charge they may get if they do go abroad or that their holidays may cost more

Those are facts - it will be much harder to work or live on the European continent and holidays will cost more.

"Graphista what about the Guardian and the Independent..." I said "for starters" there's lots wrong with how the press in the uk and the msm are owned, managed and regulated (or rather NOT regulated)

Guardian - admittedly not owned by tax exiles but certainly still too beholden to wealthy board.

The independent -owned by Russian oligarchs! I certainly view that as unacceptable.

Online news outlets don't have the same influence and frankly aren't taken as seriously as they maybe should be by many, particularly older voters who are the ones most likely to vote Tory and most likely to have voted leave.

As Gen X and millennials and the generations after them age and we as a society generally get more used to getting our news from other sources then the press as it is now will have less influence & power and maybe, hopefully we'll have more balanced reporting in all media.