To think there will be riots?

[Anoni]

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

Absolute joke that people are marching to defend democracy when they want to go against democracy and stop Brexit. I admire Boris for what he is doing. The EU are taking notice. We will get a deal because of this and it’ll be a good deal. I’m astounded that people think taking no deal off the table was a good idea and they say leavers are thick?

"Whilst I acknowledge the bias in the media outlets / press I do struggle to understand what Graphista considers a free one. Not owned by billionaire tax exiles ok. Then what? Just whoever agrees with them I imagine."

No not just "whoever agrees with me" but a much wider variety of views would be better. Currently almost all of our newspapers are unashamedly right wing there's one roughly centrist and no major paper that's left wing, I don't think it's unreasonable to want a much better balance.

Re sectarian tension in glasgow (my birth town) yes it's a long standing issue BUT the threat to the gfa by brexit particularly a no deal brexit is stoking that tension, it's naive and disingenuous to deny that.

and they say leavers are thick?

Perhaps they say leavers are thick because it’s fucking stupid to claim that it’s democratic to prorogue parliament to force through a no deal Brexit which has never been voted upon and was barely suggested at the time of the referendum - oh, and lie to everyone about your intentions and motivations. The idea Johnson (sorry I mean Cummings, the puppet master) is upholding democracy is a total joke.

If you want a no deal Brexit I can understand you being pleased about what is happening but just own that, don’t pretend you give a shite about democracy.

Thank you dong

I do know the statistics around the voting though obviously not in that much detail and the education bit

But all that says is ‘mor likely’ as indeed it was

However thats not my point (though I appreciate that it gets lost amongst my ranting )

Its that if you listen to an awful lot of people on here especially you would think that every single remain person is minted and middle class and every leaver is working class and struggling

And that’s quite obviously not the case

Apologies dong

Im on two threads at once...always a bad move for me

So you won’t have seen my reasoned argument [rant]

The EU are taking notice. We will get a deal because of this and it’ll be a good deal. I’m astounded that people think taking no deal off the table was a good idea and they say leavers are thick?

They do indeed say that.

“Mass immigrations”

Sadly it’s many on lower wages and benefits that will be hit the most by Brexit.

Maybe when both are cut during the oncoming recession and shit ahead blaming it on immigrants many of whom are here doing professional jobs we can’t fill and low paid jobs nobody wants will finally end.

Then there will be the higher prices when we want them the least too. Hope those on benefits aren’t hoping the Tories will raise them to account for price hikes. You do realise they will leave you high and dry and you simply won’t be able to blame immigrants then.

@Dogsarebetterthancatsok
Where did you get the information that the EU are taking notice? Last thing I heard they had asked Johnson to come up with a solution for the backstop following which he prorogued parliament, knowing full well he doesn’t have one!

The EU will not get rid of the back stop as it would harm the peace process. Johnson does not want a backstop. Stalemate. So how are we going to get this amazing deal?

and no major paper that's left wing,

Graphista The Guardian is pretty left wing, isn’t it, and the Daily Mirror?
Maybe the reason is that left wing papers don’t sell. Wikipedia says the circulation of the Morning Star is 10,000 (obviously more will read it online).
The magazine Marxism Today is defunct and the total circulation (I presume that means online subscriptions as well) of the New Statesman is 35,637 compared with the Spectator’s 62,000.

Seems to me that many people don’t understand the importance of the backstop and the GFA
I’ve just watched 66 Days - Bobby Sands on Netflix
It gives a very balanced (to my mind) depiction of the scenes during “the troubles” and as a piece of social history it’s very interesting.

Perhaps there will not be riots - the riots in 2011 lost touch with the cause of the protest and just ended up with looting. This time the shops will be empty and nothing available to loot

Chom

It you treated me to one of your 're education struggle sessions' I'd be nodding away too plotting how to escape you agreeing with everything you said hoping I'd get away safely

According to red even prince's Andrews latest scandel is brexit related. Impressively shoe Horning there.

Moo5ele55 - not all of us on benefits are leavers! I too don't understand the poorest

As for "the eu are taking notice" of course they are! But they're despairing at how utterly foolish, confrontational and self sabotaging we're being!!

No deal will have very little if any detrimental effect on them, it'll screw us!

This beyond stupid claim that "they need us more than we need them" is so arrogantly delusional!

"Graphista The Guardian is pretty left wing, isn’t it, and the Daily Mirror?" The guardian is more centrist but seems left wing because the majority of other papers are SO right wing, the mirror was traditionally more left wing but I feel has lost its way somewhat in recent years. Eg TODAYS headline in the mirror is sodding strictly bumf!

Far left publications like the morning star have a reputation of being more militant and also circulation/sales being low ALSO means those papers aren't sold in many places so people would mostly have to go quite out of their way to buy them. We need more centre left publications to balance things out.

People tend to select from what they see available in the shops. And even when looking online the better selling ones tend to come higher up on search results (plus better funded ones can pay to come up higher in searches - online doesn't mean exempt from the influence of money)

Meant to say I too don't understand the poorest voting leave

Most labour mps don't seem to understand why so many poor voted leave either.

Frank field is the exception of course.
I guess that's why Labour can no longer call itself working /poor man's party.

Just lost absolute total touch with them and Blair shat on the the poor of the UK throwing them all under the bus for... The eu project!!

No deal will have very little if any detrimental effect on them

No deal will be disastrous for the EU. Not least because if we make a success of it, there will be other countries doing exactly the same.

No deal will be disastrous for the EU. Not least because if we make a success of it, there will be other countries doing exactly the same.

Still hoping it'll be good despite literally no evidence.

I should think we've already made it look like an absolutely idiotic thing to do.

Of course no deal is bad for other eu countries. There is a two way flow of goods and drugs and food.

The UK is worth 5 smaller eu countries. We a re the third largest contributer to the eu.

Will it affect them as much... As it will affect us? No. But it will have impact.

Atmos the availability of newspapers is a chicken and egg. Are they not bought because they aren’t easily available or are they not sold because there’s no demand. Also surely they’re readily available on line and I don’t know the online circulation of the Morning Star.
Anyway whatever the truth I can’t imagine newspapers in their paper form will last much longer. We read everything online and my children have never bought a paper.

Where did you get the information that the EU are taking notice? Last thing I heard they had asked Johnson to come up with a solution for the backstop following which he prorogued parliament, knowing full well he doesn’t have one!

Simon Coveney said in Helsinki “Boris Johnson is outlining a very clear and firm position but it is a totally unreasonable position that the EU cannot facilitate and he must know that…”

“We all want to get a deal but, at the moment, nothing credible has come from the UK government in terms of alternatives to the backstop.”

This 'wonderful deal' that people keep talking about is a pipe dream, just like the wonderful deal that Boris will negotiate with the US.

It doesn't matter what happens with Brexit, it's not going to start a stampede of other EU countries wanting to leave - nobody sane would want to put their country through what Brexit has done to the population, polarising opinions.

No doubt it will hurt the EU. But nowhere near how it will hurt us. So we don't have the upper hand with negotiating.

Also, if we breach the Good Friday Agreement, what about the US? they've already warned us on this.

We'll be begging for deals from a crap position. If I was the EU I'd just let us get on with it tbh.

The eu is already in fragile position. Its not done great things at all a d doesn't have much going for it.

If I was them I would be very careful about further affecting their peoples... I imagine no deal and brexit isn't on most eu citizens agendas. But anything that affects them will cause un rest

Naive to think EU citizens will be blaming the EU for this. They will (rightly) be blaming us!!