To want to know exactly what LGBT teaching in schools will entail?

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There has been lots of attention around the push to teach LGBT issues in schools - Birmingham being the flash point with many parents protesting. AIBU to have doubts about what is going to be taught and to want to know which orgs will be providing the material and exactly what this material teaches?

Im concerned about this with my child too when he starts school. I watched the C4 programme Trans kids and I don't want that for my child. I don't want Mermaids telling him that he's a girl if he likes pink or that he can choose to be neither a boy nor a girl or whatever. He will know that trans people exist, and that we should be kind and respectful to them. But I don't want him being told you might be one at a young age. Kids believe anything an adult tells them. If he decides when he is older that that's the path for him then ok, but not as a child or pre teen.

As an aside I think it would be much more useful if children were taught about government and politics at school than PSE or whatever it is called now. The number of people without the slightest grasp of politics or what their represented MPs actually stand for is frightening.

Exactly! I want my child to be taught to be kind regardless of any circumstances! Isn’t that what we should be teaching them?! I will let my child enjoy whatever hobbies they want too and wear whatever colour they want to wear! I kind of do draw the line at my son wearing a dress though because I don’t want people him encouraging him that he may be a girl! That is what happens these days a boy wears a dress and it is instantly “oh is your son transgender”

I’m not a dress kind of girl anyway so I’d rather my children wear shorts so they feel they can dress similar without being picked apart by society

I would rather my children be taught that sort of stuff to @taytosandwich! Politics, environmental things like plastic waste and such things! I mean it was common sense when I was little that if I had food out with me that I carried the rubbish till I got home or found a bin! I see kids these days just chucking it onto the floor.

When I taught it last year to year one and year 2 it was simply looking that not all families were the same. So we read books like and Tango makes three, king and king and after reading the story asked if they noticed anything most were not even phased and we had a chat about not all families are mum, dad and kids there are same sex couples, people with just mum or dad, people who lived with grandparents or foster carers. This was Stonewall based and certainly no brainwashing

The woman in charge of Mermaids was giving her underage child cross sex hormones that wouldn’t have been prescribed by the NHS. She took her 15yr old male child to Thailand to have surgery planned on their 16th birthday (as early as was legally possible there) which wouldn’t have been allowed in the UK. She is on record advocating against best practice as decided by NHS healthcare professionals for these confused kids as she thinks underage kids should have access to puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and even surgery. I don’t want Mermaids near my kids influencing and teaching them. I’m sure she could be a lovely well meaning woman who did what she honestly thought was best for her child at that time but she heads up a highly influential charity.

Vgbeat - as a teacher would you have any issues implementing Stonewall’s trans inclusion policy? Or some of the other charities policy?

@hkm94 If you don't want your child exposed to the idea that some people have families that have two mums or two dads then yes, you're bigoted. Or even exposed to the idea that heaven forbid, your child might even be gay themselves!

I never said I have a problem with my children being taught that! If you had read my posts properly then you would know that my issue is more with them learning about transgender at such a young age when their bodies do confuse them! I don’t my child being taught that if their bodies don’t make sense to them then it must be because they are of the opposite sex! I want my child to know that what they are born with is what they are! And I personally think it is stupid to think otherwise!

I have no problem with my child being gay and as my comment stated I am very much an advocate of love whoever you love regardless of their gender! My child will know that there are families with same sex parents as I have friends who are homosexual

Don't worry HKM94 if you have a son who wants to wear dresses I'm sure you will have raised him to understand that is not related to what sex he is, and children can wear whatever they want without it affecting their identity.
Let children wear what clothes they want, play with what toys they want, do what sports they want, without it having significance for whether they think they are male or female.

@hkm94 so you think every one throughout history who has experienced gender dysphoria has been stupid?

I never said I have a problem with my children being taught that!

You did. You said

I’m not bigoted in any way. I have no problem with any of the LGBT things but I just don’t want it being taught to my daughter!

I didn’t say the people were stupid I said it was stupid to think people can change their chromosomes and their gender entirely! If we were made to be both then we would be able to carry both! I bloody wish my DP could carry this baby for us instead of me so I didn’t have to have another c section but he can’t because it is not biologically possible!

Those are the facts that I will be teaching my children! I am done responding to you now because you are an argumentive poster who likes to twist words! & you clearly have no problem with your child (if you have any) being potentially brainwashed to think changing gender is normal or in the very least confusing them

I have no problem with any of the LGBT things but I just don’t want it being taught to my daughter! She is only 10 months but why on earth is learning about it necessary? They should have their time in school being used for much much more important things!

I’m pretty sure primary school is there to help your child with the basic educational needs eg maths and English! They should not be taught anything that could emotionally affect their state of mind by anyone but their parents!

And why are 'LGBT things' not basic educational needs? Why should children's emotional needs not be catered to in primary school?

You are advocating parents visiting whatever bigotry they choose on their children, because you don't want these 'LGBT things' to be taught.

That was the position my dad took, back in the day. He didn't think he was homophobic, but he insisted I never mention any possible same-sex attraction and insisted I accept it was a phase. He thought it was ok that he should be the only person to decide what I learned.

Like you, he'd say he had 'no problem' with LGBT people in general. Only, they shouldn't be acknowledged in schools. Or be allowed to teach children. Or be shamelessly visible in public life, eg. by holding hands They shouldn't expect to have children or be recognised as parts of a family, and they shouldn't expect much legal protection - because after all, they're freaks, right?

This sort of rhetoric - which you're displaying, even if it's in a quieter form - is really damaging and disturbing. It's not normal and it's not acceptable to most people. Society is changing.

Wow! Okay so you feel I am attacking the LGBT community when in fact I’m not! If my daughter grows up and tells me she is homosexual then I will support her and I have issues with public displays of affection from anyone really so no bigotry there. I think they should be able to have children and marriage! I’ve not even displayed anything like that that I have an issue with it!

You are actually attacking me more for having my views on the transgender part of LGBT and it being taught to my daughter in school when she is pre puberty! I think you will find LGBT wants to have the same equal rights and so on but then when someone expresses a disapproval of it being taught to children who are easily influenced and already have a hard enough time making sense of the world! You bite their head off and tell them they are wrong

I am doing what parents should do and protect their children! I am sorry if you don’t like that but I don’t have to conform to your way of thinking because it suits you! I will do what is best for my child. I will be teaching my children all about LGBT in a fair and explanatory way but I will also be explaining biology and chromosomes and how the human mind and bodies work.

Now think what you like about me, my children come first above anything else & if you don’t like it bore off.

How do you teach these LGBT things? So gay and lesbian kids are same sex attracted. How does that tally with lesbians having penises and beards like Alex Drummond - males who insist they are lesbians. So is being gay same sex or same gender identity attracted. Many gay men and lesbians say Stonewall is homophobic now. So how exactly are you going to teach LGBT in schools?

Seems to me that SarahAndQuack is making a totally false accusation of bigotry which is not supported by what you've actually said, HKM94. There is nothing homophobic in your stance. Your concern is purely for the dangerous nonsense that is gender ideology, something which has nothing to do with the admirable long standing campaign for LGB rights.

I think people need to look at what is actually being taught in schools and not just say 'look at these resources I found that mermaids or whoever produced, children shouldn't be being taught this'.......chances are they're not being taught this ! The only thing they are being taught at primary school is that families come in lots of forms....that's it. All this hysteria for something that isn't happening.

Speak to your local schools, ask them what they teach. They are not telling children that they have a gender identity, they are not telling rugby loving girls that they are actually boys.

I think this kind of reaction is exactly what the OP wanted and it's really disappointing that if people really care what their children are being taught that they believe some random person on the internet rather than simply speaking to the schools. If I wanted to know how my child's school taught them about WW2, I wouldn't ask on here, I would speak to my child's teacher, why is this any different. Lots of people are making claims that are simply not true.

The only thing they are being taught at primary school is that families come in lots of forms....that's it.

Did you read my post upthread? My colleagues in a neighbouring primary
school had Mermaids in to deliver training to staff. This meant that when it cane to deciding how to respond to a (fictional) case study involving an apparently gender questioning child in a safeguarding training activity, they said they would take advice from Mermaids instead of working with the family to support the child. All their safeguarding training went out the window because this was a “trans” case.

No doubt if it had a been a real child instead of a fictional one, they’d have been well on the way to “transitioning” had Mermaids offered to “support” the child.

Please don’t delude yourself that this isn’t happening in our schools.

“Sex (including transgender)” is listed as a protected characteristic. Why?

Because, my child deserves to feel as safe as yours, in school and in life in general.

Why do some people find this so hard to understand? It's not that out there.

@hkm94 excellent flouncing off after angrily ranting about things that you don't actually understand at all! No one believes that you can change your chromosomes, that's terrible science. No one is teaching or saying that someone's chromosomes can change. They are saying that in the presence of long term gender dysphoria and after significant counselling and thought that if your genitals don't match you then there's surgery. Surgery that's not brand new, that's been going on for decades and has saved lives.
And no, I don't have any children. Terrifyingly for you, I'm a lesbian and a primary school teacher! imagine your outrage if I mentioned spending a lovely weekend with my female partner to my class if your daughter was in it!

@banginchoons Preach! And yet all the people with all the privilege want to deny your child's existence and say they are the way they are because some charity came to their school for an hour once.

You have to intervene and take charge of your children’s education in this area. I did and my children are well aware that these people have an agenda.

@basil What is the agenda people have? Honestly curious?? I certainly don't have one, I just want the kids in my class to be happy and know that who they are is okay. That really doesn't seem evil.

The bigots are out in force. This thread is disgusting and I wish @mnhq would start to take a stand on it. No wonder it has such a bad rep