To want to know exactly what LGBT teaching in schools will entail?

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There has been lots of attention around the push to teach LGBT issues in schools - Birmingham being the flash point with many parents protesting. AIBU to have doubts about what is going to be taught and to want to know which orgs will be providing the material and exactly what this material teaches?

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Going to the example I have of what would happen if a trans girl in high school wanted to use girls changing rooms for PE. My DD could be extremely uncomfortable with this but according to guidance out there could be told "tough luck, you need to be inclusive ".Doesn't she deserve compassion, respect and understanding?

Of course she does, but the issue I have is why is the trans girl automatically somebody to be wary of and uncomfortable around just because she's trans?
It comes across as they're to be wary of and to stay away from by default and that doesn't sit right with me.

I don’t think it’s the fact they’re trans roses, it’s the fact they're male and have different anatomy that will make the PP’s daughter uncomfortable.

Going to the example I have of what would happen if a trans girl in high school wanted to use girls changing rooms for PE. My DD could be extremely uncomfortable with this but according to guidance out there could be told "tough luck, you need to be inclusive ".Doesn't she deserve compassion, respect and understanding?

The answer to this isn't to ostracise trans kids. It's to provide individual changing cubicles for anyone who wants them.

Because a boy/man who feels they should be a girl/woman isn’t actually a girl/woman who should than have access to female spaces, sports etc - children (and everyone else( shouldn’t be indoctrinated that this is fact and must be accepted that gender identity must be prioritized over biological sex.

They don't 'feel' that they are a different gender to their biological sex, they ARE a different gender to their biological sex.

It's not indoctrination - it's tolerance. I'm sorry that you seem to have so much insecurity over this, it must be tiring. I hope you can reach a level of understanding.

@rosesandraindrops

Thank goodness for your posts on here! Very well articulated

Thank goodness for your posts on here! Very well articulated

Aw shucks, ta lol
Makes a change to be appreciated on these types of threads

I think a third changing space could be a compromise however it's unlikely to be used and a girl should not be forced to use it (as let's be honest, the way this will go is for the girl to move on or shut up) because she feels uncomfortable being barely dressed around someone with male anatomy. And that's why she would be uncomfortable not because the individual is trans.

Gender is indeed all a load of bollocks and cause of so much heartache and friction

Roses because, as you well know, there are good reasons why we segregate boys and girls in changing rooms and loos and however a transgirl identifies, that child is still and boy and thus should be treated as such. And, by law, schools have to treat a trans girl as a boy because the law states that changing, toileting and washing facilities are segregated by sex (not gender, the law is very clear in this, and very clear they mean biology, not feelings) from aged 8.

We need to be very clear that the threat isn’t trans, it’s male, and we know that men who identify as trans retain male patterns of violence.

Treating trans people as a sacred caste that can never be scrutinised etc is a very very bad idea, and is a gift to abusers. Why do you wat to hand absusers such a gift, Roses, Bosh and Bangin? Why do have so little regard for women and girls?

I hear that there'll be videos of anal, a how-to-have-bum-sex guide and that all the boys will wear dresses.

Actually, I think it'll be more that it's OK to be different, if your family is not the traditional model, if you feel that you are attracted to people of the same or different genders that's just fine. Also, that all people are equal and of value, no matter what their gender, race, religion or orientation.

Personally, I make sure that this is reenforced in my home all the time. Why wouldn't I?

As someone else said, it’s because a trans girl is male - not trans. My sons don’t want a female student in their changing rooms and loos either - especially when using urinals. Find another solution to the one being advised by likes of Stonewall as policy set in law

Or the misleading information from Stonewall that their trans inclusion policies are backed by law and should be followed

Sarah is the poster who thinks this is all about homophobia and if any school has had training from Mermaids or Stonewall and implements that training in school, its because they are a “bad teacher”.

WTF? No, I'm not.

I never mentioned Mermaids or Stonewall. Mermaids are a deeply dubious organisation, and I'm pretty sure I share reservations with other posters on the subject of them.

I'm the poster who says how the hell is it ok to stop doing LGBT education, which is vital, and the absence of which caused an awful lot of people to suffer under Section 28?

DrSuess - don’t you mean attracted to people of the same or different sex, rather than gender? You seem to be averse to sex - have you been advised by the LGBT charities No Outsiders and Educate & Celebrate

I see the bingo card is filling up nicely. I'm sure the "what about lesbians attacking/ogling/whatever women in changing rooms" will be up soon.

Are you a lesbian, buzz?

*Why do you wat to hand absusers such a gift,Roses,BoshandBangin? Why do have so little regard for women and

Well my kid gets the doubly whammy of being a trans kid and born a girl. Why are there so many people who just don't care if my kid is safe? They are just kids, who want to be accepted and loved, and to achieve yhat you have to educate. You will throw my kid to the wolves for the sake of your argument that some predatory men use being Trans a cover. Those people aren't trans and it seems that Trans people will be persecuted for it.

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So what exactly do you want for your trans child- how should the school handle it?

Abusive men are abusive men. Yes, there have been a handful of cases of men pretending to be a transwoman to try and find out the location of an ex partner. The key word here is 'pretending'. These are awful abusive desperate violent men. But this is not the norm. The people pretending to be trans women are pretending!!! They are not trans.

Trans doesn't equal abuser. I can't believe I even have to write that.

All of this talk of 'men dressing up as women' is absurd. Please educate yourselves about what is involved in transitioning. Children and adults are not doing this for 'fun'. They have a different gender to their biological sex. They shouldn't be treated like an abuser.

I find this all very sad and I'm very pleased that children will be taught about LGBT issues in school so they can hear the facts from unbiased sources, not the scaremongering, uninformed, insecure views of some of the parents on here.

This is actually coming from a background of working for a women and children's charity so I so definitely care about protecting women and children. But that doesn't mean I can't or don't care about protecting transwomen or anyone else for that matter - it's not an either/or situation.

for the sake of your argument that some predatory men use being Trans a cover

I do want your child to be safe - if you think that the above is the only issue regarding the interplay between sex and gender, then I’m afraid you haven’t fully appreciated what’s going on.

Well my kid gets the doubly whammy of being a trans kid and born a girl. Why are there so many people who just don't care if my kid is safe? They are just kids, who want to be accepted and loved, and to achieve yhat you have to educate. You will throw my kid to the wolves for the sake of your argument that some predatory men use being Trans a cover. Those people aren't trans and it seems that Trans people will be persecuted for it.

I'm so pleased your child has you as a parent fighting their corner. My heart breaks thinking of the kids that are exposed to people's prejudiced and hateful views. Please know that lots of people do care that your child, and every child, is safe. Even if this thread would suggest we're in the minority.

Trans doesn't equal abuser. I can't believe I even have to write that

You don’t because no one has said it! FFS please engage with the actual arguments instead of constructing these ridiculous straw men.

Has anyone said trans equals abuser? Do you not think females deserve some female only areas like loos, changing rooms, dorms, spirts etc for comfort, peace of mind and privacy? Do you really think every space should be mixed sex - no single sex anything?

Treating trans people as a sacred caste that can never be scrutinised etc is a very very bad idea, and is a gift to abusers. Why do you wat to hand absusers such a gift, Roses, Bosh and Bangin?

I didn't say they could never be scrutinised though, did I?
I also don't want to hand abusers gifts, you seem to be painting it as such though with that kind of emotional guilt trip wording.