To find mumsnet so hostile to vegans?

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No based solely on but inspired by a couple of threads in the last few days. I’m not quite vegan yet but plan to be fully by the next few months and none of my friends, about quarter of whom at vegan are not sanctimonious or preachy at all.

Also please stop bashing vegan cakes! They’re yummy!!

I actually hear more non vegans preaching about preachy vegans than I see these actual preachy vegans...then again, like I said before it doesn't actually take much for a vegan to be considered 'preachy'...

Yes. “Having an opinion” is now considered preachy.

It’s an excellent way of shutting down anyone who wants to talk about stuff that can be uncomfortable.

Yes. “Having an opinion” is now considered preachy.

There was a poster on here a while ago complaining about how she was tired of having veganism forced down her throat after a Lush employee told her about a new vegan version of a product they were doing. Of course it would have had nothing to do with the fact the employee had very likely been told to tell customers about it or she was simply trying to be helpful in case it was something customers didn't know about yet. Nope, it was because the employee was a preachy vegan forcing her views down other people's throats and it was all part of a huge conspiracy to get everyone to go vegan...

Remember the horror that met Gregg’s vegan sausage rolls!

I agree OP

I e also got a brilliant easy vegan choc cake recipe if anyone wants it :)) no 'odd' ingredients and loved by vegans and non vegans

I would like to learn to bake something more interesting than cookies so please share!

@HugsAreMyDrugs

300ml vegan milk of your choice
1tbsp lemon juice
150g vegan butter/marg
3tbsp liquid sweetener - agave/maple etc of your choice
Pinch of coffee granules or espresso powder
275g plain flour
175g sugar
4tbsp unsweetened cocoa powder
3teaspoon baking powder
1teaspoon bicarbonate of soda
(Raspberries and Bettie Crocker fudge frosting to decorate)

Oven 180/grease 2 20cm round baking pans

Stir lemon juice into milk and leave to thicken
Melt marg/ coffee / syrup over low heat and set aside to cool slightly
Sieve flour, cocoa, sugar, baking powder and bicarb together and mix
Pour in milk and melted marg mixture
Mix together/ split between pans / 30-35 mins or until knife or skewer comes out clean

Sandwich together with frosting and raspberries

Thanks for letting us know - standard vegan

MN is so nasty nowadays that Vegans are bound to get bashed too.

Unless you're a vegan with a parking issue and diagram

Something on the news just now about dogfood made from insects. Man in the park asked his views said he thought it was a good idea because he was a vegan.

Yes I saw that. Makes me wonder now that mainstream media are on board with this amazon fires/reducing meat consumption/insects for protein that it must be very fucking serious. Personally I've be aware of the amazon and veganism since the 1980's but mainstream media hasn't given a rats ass. It's gonna be an interesting few years I think c

Well OP, its because I prefer to deal in facts, and someone who says they will be a vegan in a few months time initially makes me suspicious that they are, shall we say, a little removed from reality. Presumably you are not at risk of life threatening colic, like a horse, if you change your diet more quickly. How on earth does it take months to work up to becoming vegan?

And an adult talking about vegan cakes being "yummy", sorry I do find that difficult to read, its a vocabulary more associated with children.

I only have one preachy vegan on my FB friends. He constantly, sometimes twice daily, posts photos of his vegan meals and boasts about how he made them and how "easy it is". They all look gruesome. Furthermore, he looks gruesome. He is really very wrinkled and haggard for his age. I'm not saying this is anything to do with veganism, it may be that he had habits all his life that caused this and the veganism is in response to that. I further criticise his appearance because he sent me a dm on FB once to ask me if I wanted to meet up, and when I declined (not interested, married, he had a girlfriend) he announced "I hear its all over for women once they reach 40" (he little knows!!). Anyway, I digress.

The other vegans I know still eat meat when it suits. They are all unusually obsessed with food and spend far too much time thinking about it and far too little time moving around.

I would also like to say its not just your diet you can watch to be more friendly to animals. An easy step to take is doing your own local litterpick, removing plastic waste from the grass verges. You could also avoid living in new build housing estates which have been built on farmland. And you can directly involve your MP into investigating poor conditions in slaugtherhouses and stopping halal slaughter, as in Denmark.

“The other vegans I know still eat meat when it suits.”

This sentence makes no sense.

BertrandRussell “The other vegans I know still eat meat when it suits.”

This sentence makes no sense.

Really? You spend much of your life on here but you struggle with that?

Heres an example:

Vegan friends, both members of the same family. Tell me how much they enjoy eating turkey for Christmas Dinner.

Understandy now?

I'm guessing it's because you can't be a vegan but eat meat when it suits you. It's an oxymoron.

Did they outright say they eat turkey at Christmas or simply that they enjoy it? Perhaps they do enjoy but are happy to give it up because their morals mean more to them .

Oh and I'm 28 and most people guess my age to be 18-20. They are always shocked when they find out how old I am.

I can only give my own experience. I have a vegan family member who makes no effort to accommodate their food choices by bringing their own food/ingredients/making suggestions/giving guidance which means I have to cook two meals because none of us want to eat vegan (why should we? We don’t like the majority of vegan dishes and I find it too light, too worthy, too vegetabley, just not umami in any way, and we love our food). This means that when they visit we have to buy all the milks, spreads, etc which cost loads and then go to waste because we don’t want to eat them. We also need to plan meals we aren’t familiar with cooking and which invariably take an awful lot longer to make necause its unfamiliar territory . The age old family favourite which is easy for a gaggle - a roast - is impossible : what the hell do you give the vegan?

With a veggie you can usually do a side dish that hits the spot, and it’s easier to sell an exclusively veggie menu to omnivores because you can make them rich and yummy and a bit special for family celebrations/meals with eggs, butter, cream, cheese etc. I resent having to spend loads of time in the bloody kitchen when the vegans visit instead of enjoying their company. Honestly, it genuinely puts me off them. I know their friends and family feel similarly. It’s just too imposing, too much work, too selfish. For gods sake bring your own bloody food (or at least offer) if you’re going to exclude so many food groups. It annoys me that they impose their extreme eating on us without any consideration of how much extra work and stress it creates.

I have tried a million vegan cake/pudding/treat recipes and the majority taste revolting. Maybe your tastebuds change when you cut out the majority of food groups, but please don’t inflict your dairy free, egg free, taste free crap on us, feel free to eat them all yourselves.

I have a child with a severe food allergy. I always take her meals to place, regardless of whether they say yay or nay. It means they can feed us how they feed themselves with no issue about my child’s unfortunate affliction. Whilst close family protest and do cater willingly, I still insist on bringing her stuff with me. And I know most people are genuinely grateful they don’t have to go out and buy a whole new larder. Vegans I implore you - do this.

Is being vegan an absolute, like one religion or another?

If it is then many 'being vegan' cannot calls themselves actual vegans (inference that no animals products or by products are ever consumed, not exclusive to food)

So someone can only say they are a vegan, if they never buy leather shoes, for example, or eat avocados, and so on.

I think there are probably degrees of this where on the whole they are vegan, and would look for vegan menu options or restaurants, but many do step outside the strict rules around veganism.

Veganism is being promoted as a way of saving the planet, so many are getting on board in some way with avoiding meat, which various researches dont back up really. Especially considering vast swathes of Amazon are being cleared to grow the ever increasing demand for soya.

I have had the occasional tasty vegan cake, but I've generally avoided them because of the horrible ones.

Using emotive language like 'bashing' and classing 'everyone' in one bracket when talking about 'hostilities' is provocative, and is bound to bring reactive responses to a degree.

I personally don't like the taste of anything made with bicarb. Also, not keen on the gluten free bread etc.

It can be a big taste change, once you adjust its probably ok, but there is delicious food out there vegan or not.

“Vegan friends, both members of the same family. Tell me how much they enjoy eating turkey for Christmas Dinner.

Understandy now?”
Nope. Still doesn’t make sense.

I’m with Bertrand, they are not vegan. They are people who eat vegan food when it suits them, even if that’s the majority of the time. It’s like people who call themselves vegetarians but eat fish (YOU ARE NOT A FUCKING VEGETARIAN!). It’s attaching a cool label when actually you sometimes want to tear the cooked leg off an animal and chow down on it.

Couldn't care less what you choose to ear OP, as long as you don't:

• try and convince me to reduce my own animal product consumption
• wax lyrical about how much healthier you are (while quietly taking vitamin supplements)
• expect me to be admiring of your morality/healthiness

@QualCheckBot my teetotal friend drinks occasionally

Then she’s someone who doses the drink very often @Chillisauceboss, not teetotal? Surely the total tells you everything you need to know about that state of affairs????

I’m genuinely bemused. I’m a vegan but I sometimes eat fois gras. I can still call myself a vegan though because I only do this in France or if I visit Waitrose.

Doesn’t drink, not doses the drink ffs