Self ID women being asked to volunteer in Devon Rape Crisis Centre *Triggering - rape*

[Theendofmyrope]

AIBU to think this is just fucking insane? Is this how it is going to be from now on? As the parent of a rape victim I feel beyond angry. Is no place safe for women now?

It's just assumption based on prejudice in the case of this thread, even in the knowledge that services are offered to trans and sexual minorities

If that is the case it needs to be made clear that the service is for these groups. It has fuck all to do with prejudice, the most overused word by TRA's after 'transphobic'

I think it’s also ok for them to counsellor women who aren’t trans so long as the women themselves are Ok with that.

Its utterly baffling that one person who claims to be an expert thinks its ok to call women bigots if they need same sex trauma therapy, and another hasn't heard of female socialisation.

think it’s highly HIGHLY unlikely that anyone would forced to work with a trans person ummm, women who asked not to bunk with a male bodied ‘self ID’ person in a woman’s refuge were told to leave. See who has the upper hand? It’s not the women in need.

Cheeserton. Since you mentioned it, in what capacity did you work at in a rape crisis centre?

your possibly the most annoying person I've come across on here. Congratulations
Thanks. It's you're though.
Chesserton I've just posted the evidence
No you didn't. Doesn't remotely justify the assumptions made here. They offer the necessary services.
And yet that has been refuted by Catnip, so clearly your experience, Cheeserton, is not as comprehensive as you’re implying.
No it wasn't. That's a strange interpretation indeed. Why don't you contact Devon and ask if you could insist on a woman counsellor? I know what the answer would be.

Anyway, enough of this shitfest. The agenda is clear and it's got sod all to do with supporting victims of sexual assault, for shame.

What the heck is a self identifying woman

Can I self identify as one.

Is there a special place to go to to get the identity.

Where is this identity and wtaf is it

Can i self identify on 3 days of the month to be a woman

Are there any rules on the self identification ?
How the actual fuck did any of this become such a thing

We have people on here repeatedly stating that trans women are women. Ok then. On that basis, a woman who has been raped absolutely could be assisted by a trans woman when seeking help. There is no feasible mechanism to choose what ‘category’ of woman to assist you, as there is no essential difference between them. To decline one category of woman and not another would be prejudiced and transphobic. To impose rules about which sort of woman can assist other women, based on how they identify, is also Impractical and unworkable.

Either trans women are women, or they are not. End of.You can’t have it both ways when you’re offering a specific service to women only.

The agenda is clear and it's got sod all to do with supporting victims of sexual assault, for shame.

You’re spot on there .....makes a nice change.

Women got rape crisis centres because they campaigned for them and built them.
Transwomen should do the same. They should not be lumped in with women for extremely obvious reasons.
This policy has already caused disaster for women in other parts of the world.
Google Vancouver Rape Relief.

We also have people here stating trans women are not women, so turn your argument back around on that. Why should trans women not be supported by trans women?

I think it’s also ok for them to counsellor women who aren’t trans so long as the women themselves are Ok with that.

Its utterly baffling that one person who claims to be an expert thinks its ok to call women bigots if they need same sex trauma therapy, and another hasn't heard of female socialisation.

What? Who hasn’t heard of female socialisation? And who claimed to be an expert? I don’t know why you quoted my post here, because neither applies to me.

I think my point has been lost in translation - the clear issue in people raising this point is that you may be treated by a trans woman at the Drs, or at your child's school and not known there Trans.

Purposefully going to the extreme of banning them from volunteering (or being outraged in this case) is banning them from existing in female spaces.

As for the legal definition of rape in the UK - I'm sure Rape crisis also treats sexual assault victims which can be perpetrated by women.

I genuinely feel sad about the transphobia, and scaremongering created against Trans individuals within this thread.

Anyway, enough of this shitfest. The agenda is clear and it's got sod all to do with supporting victims of sexual assault, for shame

Off you pop then love
You are one of a growing group of cheerleaders for the trans community who see fit to try and shut down any concerns or narrative biological females have around sex based spaces and services. Shame on YOU.

We also have people here stating trans women are not women, so turn your argument back around on that. Why should trans women not be supported by trans women?

No reason at all. Again, don’t think anyone has said trans women shouldn’t be supported by other trans women.

We also have people here stating trans women are not women, so turn your argument back around on that. Why should trans women not be supported by trans women?

Who on here has said that trans women shouldn't support trans women? The issue is that the advert says that they would be offering telephone and possibly face-to-face support to "women (over 13 years of age)", rather than specifically to trans women.

Reliz. If any transwoman attempts to treat me at my Doctors I will scream bloody blue murder.
Yes we can tell. 99.999% of the time. The rest of the time I would be incandescent with rage if a male person tried to treat me after I was abused by my male doctor.
Plus there is the problem of AGP. I suggest googling this one.

It doesn’t say trans women in the advert

It’s says self identifying women

So anyone who does that unknown identifying thing could just apply

That includes women or men

Again, don’t think anyone has said trans women shouldn’t be supported by other trans women.

And how are they supposed to seek that support if there no specific trans services, they are being sent to the rape crisis centres, and trans women aren't welcome to work there?

I think my point has been lost in translation - the clear issue in people raising this point is that you may be treated by a trans woman at the Drs, or at your child's school and not known there Trans.

I would have no objection to that whatsoever, although I do question that I wouldn’t know that they’re trans. Either way, no objections.

Unless... I specifically requested a female doctor and was assigned a trans woman.

As for the legal definition of rape in the UK - I'm sure Rape crisis also treats sexual assault victims which can be perpetrated by women.

That’s because Rape Crisis treats women who have experienced a broad range of sexual assaults beyond penetration. Not because the definition of “rape” is incorrect.

Lemon - they can campaign for their own shelters and services.
Just like women did.

@Relizeliz. You still haven't answered my question. Is the rapist of the woman on the Twitter thread a woman? According to you a woman is someone who identifies as such, and this woman's rapist now identifies as a woman. Is the rape victim "transphobic" (your word) for not acceding to his self-identified gender?

Oh, and it is not extremism to ban male people, regardless of how they identify, from female spaces. The law allows this to happen, acknowledges that there may be conflicts between the interests of different groups and allows for single sex exemptions to be made. Do you believe that the Equality Act 2010 is transphobic and extreme?

We also have people here stating trans women are not women, so turn your argument back around on that. Why should trans women not be supported by trans women?

Yes, I agree they should. But how would that work exactly? Should they be made to work separately? Would their trans status be made available as info to other staff, clients and volunteers, or should they only be assigned certain limited tasks or clients for example?

And how are they supposed to seek that support if there no specific trans services, they are being sent to the rape crisis centres, and trans women aren't welcome to work there?

They are not simply being sent to “rape crisis centres”, they are being sent to women’s rape crisis centres. If it’s simply a question of sending them to rape crisis centres because no specific centres are available for transpeople, then send them to the men’s. Ask for trans volunteers and use the same arguments to reassure male sexual assault victims that they will not have to be counselled by a trans person.

I had to google self ID women, I guess you mean trans?. Surely the volunteers are checked and monitored though? Maybe it should be more about the qualities of the volunteer, and if they have a helpful, kind and caring person to get them through their ordeal then does it matter what sex/age/colour/whatever they are? In a way if it was a really supportive male then it might help to get over the hurdle that it isn't all men that do these vile things but just a small minority.

@GCAcademic
Who on here has said that trans women shouldn't support trans women? The issue is that the advert says that they would be offering telephone and possibly face-to-face support to "women (over 13 years of age)", rather than specifically to trans women.

And it also states volunteers must be ‘female’ without any other specification. So these no indication thahat any trans person who did apply would be put in a role that would be inappropriate or traumatising for anymore.

Honestly, people who work at the rape crisis centre know what they are doing. They are people who work with trauma and vulnerable women everyday. They are capable of dealing with this appropriately. Don’t let some scare mongering stories in the news, about some stupid bastard in Canada, have you thinking that rape crisis centres aren’t going to be invaded by men with a skirt and an agenda, and no one will stop them traumatising vulnerable people.