Family fall out dog incident

[violashift]

I didn't see this happen but it has caused a massive extended family fall out on what was a lovely bank holiday.

At cousins house ;my sister and Bil are there with nephew age 5. He is playing in the hall with his brother.
The dog comes in initially wagging tail but within seconds the dog is having a go at my nephew who is about dog height.

My sis filmed all of this as she was filming the kids playing in the hall but dropped the phone when the dog went close to her son.

Pics attached. Brother in law kicked the dog in panic and pulled nephew away.

It all kicked off after that my cousin blaming the brother in law for kicking the dog and refusing to except anything was wrong saying the dog wouldn't hurt him.

Guess I am asking for advice on the next steps. Sis is shaking thinking the dog could have nicked an artery and cousin is annoyed the dog got kicked.

We have all left.

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edited by MNHQ - images removed by request

Let me get this right the dog bit the child on the neck it didnt let go until someone (the childs dad?) kicked the dog?

Owner of dog is lucky the dog only for kicked and there currently isnt (as far as we know) any police involvement or calls for dog to be pts.

Honestly? It looks to me as the dog is either joining in with the childrens play or he is about to "stopp" rough lay. Either way, the dog should have been stopped by the owner as the behaviour is unacceptable.
Kicking the dog is wrong - he could have turned, biting the child / adult within reach. (Amy human that is suddenly kicked will react in the same way!)
Children and dogs always need to be supervised. Dogs that are not used to the noise from playing children, should not be mixing with them.

He kicked the dog because he seen the dog attack his son. I love dogs but damn right I'd be kicking one if that were my DS. Your cousin is being very unreasonable here and should be happy the dog was stopped. It could have been so much worse all round.

Did he kick the dog to get him off his son or after his son was safe

Dog bites can (from experience) get infected very easily it needs medical attention

Never understand why people with kids get dogs. The mind boggles. However lovely the dog, you can never trust them 100%

It's hard to judge from one photo but it doesn't look like a big wide jawed intentional bite situation? More of a front teeth puppy nip. However, dog should have been kept separate from toddler especially in an over stimulating situation like a family get together.
Sounds like bad management on the part of the dog owner.

Cousin is in the wrong. His dog bit a 5 year old. He's frankly lucky his dog was 'only' kicked to get him away.

It’s not an explanation to say nipped ? That’s very different to bite . Was it playing and accidentally Grazed with teeth , or did it deliberately bite ? Not a good idea to kick dog could have made things worse , however understandable if dog had become aggressive. I know a lovely dog who had never ever shown agression but when witnessing an argument with its owner did bite someone quite badly trying to defend the owner .

Went for means for example when a dog walks passed another dog they sort of snarl and bite. Nephew has marks on his neck so they did connect .

Nephew was playing in the hall the dog was wagging its tail came into the hall.
Nephew walked passes him and it went for him ie the barking snapping growling moving teeth.

I think if my cousin had then put the dog in another room it could have been de- escalated but all she saw was BiL hurt the dog.
Then my mother and cousins mother start arguing. This is when I arrived. So we all just left.

If you look at dog's eyes and ears plus general stance it clearly is about to attack.

No idea whose fault. Kicking a dog is never ideal but hell, when it's your child at risk you take the fastest route.

Tbh even if the dog accidentally caught the child trying to play I don’t think they are going to think that way . I can understand that though .its quite scary if you think your child has been attacked .

Did he kick the dog to get him off his son or after his son was safe

To stop the connection as it was happening.

I’d have kicked it as well

You should NEVER leave a dog alone with young children, however placid and well behaved the dog is. A young child will do all sorts of things that could scare or excite a dog, just jumping around or making them feel cornered can provoke a reaction never mind pulling them about. I would not have left my children alone with family dogs ever, and now only allow my dogs near children with very careful supervision and discussion of how to approach them, and they are the friendliest dogs, and I am always to volunteer them to help parents enable their children to get used to real dogs. Everyone is at fault here, both the parents and dog owners.

If it growled barked and snapped then yes cousin is in wrong . He should have removed dog immediately and apologised .

Bystanders should use any means necessary to stop a dog who is attacking a child. The dog owners need to apologize and guarantee that dog is never around a child again.

I'm a beyond crazy dog lady, but of course your BIL kicked a dog that correctly or not he thought was biting his con!!!!!

If a dog attacks or behaves inappropriately with a child it is the owners fault. End of.

If my dog nipped a child (soooo unlikely but never say never) of course it would be my fault! And I'd be beside myself.

Cousin is texting calling brother in law all the names under the sun.

It's sad to hear some of the stories but agree about kids and dogs. Cousin just kept saying the dog will be all right he wouldn't hurt a fly.

Is the dog used to having kids around it? If it isn't, then it should be kept away when kids visit. Some dogs can be very unhappy around kids due to their noise (high pitched squealing when playing) and sudden movements.

Cousin needs to seek a dog behaviourist to address the issue.

@violashift was your nephew the youngest child there? It could have been pecking order related and the dog wanted your DN to know he was at the bottom and not the dog.

We had a terrier that took to trying to nip the ankles of the youngest member (13) at a family gathering on a couple of occasions. Nothing had happened between the two, dog had been asleep under a chair. He was about 13/14 at the time and hadn't done anything like it before. It was when there were a lot of people about.

The dog is lucky that all he got was a kick. I'd be arguing for it to be put down.

Dog is not baring it’s teeth in those stills. Could well be playing. Much more info required here. Describe marks please. Bleeding cuts? Skin broken?

Its not it’s

No there was a two year old about 2m away.

That is not a nip. He has gone for the neck.
That dog needs to be muzzled around all children in future.