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Not one thread on Prince Andrew...WTF

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Tucobenedicto · 24/08/2019 20:15

Why are we all sweeping this under the carpet...if it was a footballer...a pop star or a tv personality then it would be major news....The BBC has virtually ignored what has happened....whether he is guilty or not..his associate is most definitely....feel so sorry for these young girls

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cakeisalwaystheanswer · 24/08/2019 22:12

Andrew has lots of shady friends including Epstein. In a family where his uncle and aunt cosied up to Hitler I doubt this even raises an eyebrow.

Too much negative attention and the RF will be forced to go full throttle on diversionary tactics. Poor Kate will have to make the ultimate sacrifice and have a major hairstyle change, maybe a short bob.

Outsomnia · 24/08/2019 22:18

Perfect timing.

Brexit will impoverish many apart from the elites. Highlight this Andrew issue up now, and nothing will come from it will it?.

Great deflection just the same.

Keep the plebs in ignorance of what is really going on.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 24/08/2019 22:18

PA has made other questionable friendships. He sold his house near Windsor Great Park (Sunninghill aka “SouthYork”) to
the son-in-law of the Kazakh president for £3m over the asking price.

fia101 · 24/08/2019 22:20

Even his expensive lawyers's defences to the media against all the allegations sound well - wank.

I can imagine they were cringing as they wrote them. I've done it myself

fia101 · 24/08/2019 22:21

Grubby very very grubby

Gobbolinocat · 24/08/2019 22:33

He is alleged to have called a friend a Puritan when telling him he couldn't continue to mix with Ep . What did he mean by that? Why was his friend a Puritan.

Why would Roberts lie about being forced to have sex with him? Why didn't he question what such a young girl was doing being flown around with far older people like max and Ep?

I think he's a shifty lying little toad.

StoneofDestiny · 24/08/2019 22:37

The Guardian comment
Bullshit Prince Andrew didn’t know what sort of guy his friend was when he was snapped walking with the Tier 1 sex offender, after he got out of jail, in a photo the New York Post headlined “PRINCE & PERV”. Bullshit he didn’t know why his close friend WENT TO PRISON FOR A YEAR, but kept hanging out with him anyway. Bullshit if, as Brockman recounts, he lay on his back in that guy’s house, with a Russian attending to his feet, talking over her head to men of the world about the nocturnal licence afforded to minor European royals, and he didn’t know roughly what he was swimming in. Bullshit. I get we have to pay for Andrew’s lifetime of jollies; but we don’t have to have our intelligence insulted by him

StoneofDestiny · 24/08/2019 22:45

Friday's Guardian

Randy Andy, Air Miles Andy, and now the Duke of Hazard: headline writers have always found evocative ways to shorthand the Queen’s second son at different stages in his royal career.

As the Duke of York, 59, is spotted teeing off at the Real Club Valderrama, the exclusive golf club in Sotogrande, southern Spain, coverage of his controversial former friendship with the disgraced billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein continues to make uncomfortable reading for Buckingham Palace.

The latest optics are grainy video of him at Epstein’s New York mansion, amid reports of royal foot massages dispensed by young women.

The duke, first named in US court documents in 2015, has issued outright denials over allegations he had sexual encounters in 2001 with Virginia Roberts, now Giuffre, when she was a 17 -year-old masseuse for Epstein. The claims were struck from the US court record by a judge who described them as “immaterial and impertinent”. Also vehemently denied are allegations, in recently released court papers of the Guiffre case, made by Johanna Sjoberg that Andrew touched her breast while sitting on a couch at Epstein’s home in 2001.

There can be no denial, however, about Andrew’s crass lack of judgment. That video, and a photograph of him walking with Epstein in New York’s Central Park, were taken in 2010 – two years after the billionaire was convicted of soliciting a minor for prostitution and was a registered sex offender.

“The situation changed when Epstein was convicted. It was [Andrew’s] conscious decision to stay loyal, to not criticise his friend the convicted paedophile. And, while that may be fine for him, it’s a step too far. What it’s saying is the royal family tolerates this sort of behaviour,” said one veteran royal commentator, who has met Andrew on several occasions, and believes he should now step down from his public roles.

Time and again, Andrew, who a courtier once reportedly described as having “a pompous level of self-importance”, has demonstrated an eye-watering lack of judgment. Palace staff have rated him the rudest of royals, according to reports. A secret cable, published on WikiLeaks in 2010, revealed a US ambassador describing Andrew speaking “cockily” during one official lunch, leading to a discussion that “verged on the rude”.

He earned the soubriquet Air Miles Andy after the National Audit Office censured his helicopter habit in 2005, which included him spending £32,000 in one year flying to Scotland to the Royal and Ancient club at St Andrews in his capacity as captain.

In 2011, following pressure over the Epstein connection, he stood down from his role as UK special representative for trade and investment. It did not help when his ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson, admitted having accepted £15,000 from Epstein to help pay off her debts.

His links have often raised eyebrows; meetings with the Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi’s son Saif; entertaining the son-in-law of Tunisia’s ousted president Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali at Buckingham Palace; his relations with Timor Kulibayev, son-in-law of the president of Kazakhstan, who purchased the duke’s Sunninghill Park home for £3m more than its £12m asking price in 2007.

Gobbolinocat · 24/08/2019 22:56

Rosette, excellent article best I've read in guardian for ages. She nails everything, I like how she ties up his own daughters with the victims at the end.

This is what I don't buy why or how he could think it was in any way natural for those young girl to be traipsing around with Ep and max.

Gobbolinocat · 24/08/2019 23:00

Stone another great article.

Veteran Royal reporter says..it reflects Royal family and he should step down. Here here.

Charley50 · 24/08/2019 23:00

@cakeisalwaystheanswer - "Poor Kate will have to make the ultimate sacrifice and have a major hairstyle change, maybe a short bob." 😂😂😂

Gobbolinocat · 24/08/2019 23:01

She's drawn in the handmaid's tale as well, Russian girl attending to his feet whilst they talk above her head.

noodlenosefraggle · 24/08/2019 23:11

Time and again, Andrew, who a courtier once reportedly described as having “a pompous level of self-importance”, I'd imagine this goes some way to explaining how he "didn't know" If he really didn't know, it was because he didn't care enough to know or wilfully didn't see what was written in black and white in every newspaper in the land, and a court judgement. He will get away with it though, because, as was quoted from 'The Crown' on a previous thread, The Crown must always win. The preservation of The Crown is the sole purpose of the Royal Family.

Monestasi · 24/08/2019 23:11

Lying, vile POS.

I hope he is brought down, finally.

Despicable man. And those who cover for him.

recrudescence · 24/08/2019 23:23

But bear in mind there is footage showing him inside Epstein's NY mansion letting out an underage girl

No, that’s incorrect.

Daisypie · 24/08/2019 23:30

What you can do is tweet or email his patronages asking them to sever ties with him.

Gobbolinocat · 24/08/2019 23:31

So it's been pinned down that he spent at least a week with Ep in his house in 2010

The statement was his own and people query instead of statements why not put money where mouth is and go to States to help police?

JenniR29 · 25/08/2019 01:57

‘Where? That's quite a couple of accusations, a girl under sixteen and rape.’

Her name is Virginia Roberts, she was 17 at the time (underage in the state of Florida), she claims she was trafficked by Epstein and personally delivered to Andrew for sex by Ghislaine Maxwell. There is a photo of him with his arm around her and flight logs support her side of the story. I’d say this is enough to warrant some sort of investigation.

MoaningMinnie1 · 25/08/2019 03:51

Thanks Jenni, I get it. I've been reading a few Guardian reports since I last posted and it's distressing. The sort of parties Epstein hosted have always happened with rich, powerful people. I read what some of the scientists he hosted said about him and it seems he was quite a charismatic character in many ways, he certainly influenced them. He was very much into eugenics too, yeuch.

It's so tacky but when I read one girl was only 14, it's much more than tacky.

I'm old enough to remember 'the Profumo scandal', I was about 12/13 I think. It was all over the news at the time, the girls involved in that were between 18 and 21 but a couple of them ended up in Holloway while the male clients, Profumo being one, got on with their lives. They used to go to house parties at somewhere called Cliveden, wealthy men from all walks of life including politicians and a Russian embassy official. The chap who organised the parties topped himself.

There's nothing new under the sun.

All quite depressing really.

Caucho · 25/08/2019 04:03

As stated there is a spectacular level of naivety, ignorance or misinformation on here. Yes association with a bad man doesn’t automatically imply guilt and he could rightly claim a lack of knowledge. Do people not realise he continued to see him after being convicted, knowing this, and being strongly advised not to

Caucho · 25/08/2019 04:04

He refers to this himself in his own pish statement

fia101 · 25/08/2019 07:37

Did you was the allegations about the triplets?

What is distressing is that Epstein's activities were open knowledge for years. Who was transported to his island - the boys girls and politicians, the activities which went on there the incidences.

I read about the allegations on an anatomising website years ago and they were frequent but I didn't know who he was.

Again one rule for the rich and powerful to abuse and kill.

Roussette · 25/08/2019 07:38

recrudescence

OK. He lets out someone, there is footage of this. Then out comes Epstein and a girl who TBH looks about 13 and she goes back. It's all over the internet.

The Australian press nails it. There are more questions unanswered since PA's statement.

www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/prince-andrews-new-statement-on-his-friendship-with-jeffrey-epstein-is-baffling/news-story/ce96d63fa713e10ea3ef0750db2897dc

sashh · 25/08/2019 07:51

It is extremely unfortunate that he was friendly with that Epstein bloke but for all we know, we could all be quite friendly with someone who does awful things and not find out until later.

After a conviction? After he pled guilty and went to prison for a ridiculously short time.

fia101 · 25/08/2019 07:57

I read that PA and F were seen with Lexner at a private meeting over the weekend. Another bloke who associated with Epstein

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