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For revoking an open invitation to stay?

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 23/08/2019 12:47

I write half hoping to cop a bashing so I am more motivated to do the right thing.

A dear and wonderful friend moved to another town for a work opportunity about 2 years ago. When she moved I gave her a key and told her she was welcome to use our spare bedroom whenever she wanted to come back.

Since then she’s been staying for 1-3 nights at a time about once a month. She’ll usually be back for one specific thing like a medical appointment or an engagement party but have no other plans. She keeps personal belongings in the spare room and stores larger items in our shed so our place serves as her hometown base.

She’s not loud or messy or ungrateful. But- she is underfoot. She is a homebody and mostly stays in, pottering about our living room/kitchen with cups of tea. She tends to come along if we go for brunch, to the park, walking with the children etc. Which is lovely but it eats into family time.

There is all the usual houseguest stuff- more laundry, more pressure to tidy up, an extra clean of the bathroom, the need to make polite chit chat first thing in the morning when I just want to stagger wordlessly towards the kettle. But for a few nights it’s no big problem.

She’s just texted to check that she can stay for 16-20 days straight while she does a professional course next week.

And I reeeeally don’t want to host her for that long.

My reasons (mostly selfish):

  • she’s recently stopped taking anxiety medication and the last time she stayed she spent each evening talking repetitively at length about very small problems that were obviously swirling around in her head. I spent a lot of time listening and being reassuring and supportive. But it was draining. It also took a lot of time away from the other things I normally get done in the evenings (life admin, laundry, catching up on work emails etc). I also find that stress in other people rubs off on me and I felt stressed for days after she left.
  • I’m 8 months pregnant and I. Am. Tired. I am sore. I don’t want more housework, more emotional labour, one more person to think about. When the children are asleep I want to plough through my To-Do list if I have any energy or switch off completely if I don’t.
  • We have easily excited toddlers and having an extra person in the house makes it that much harder to get them to focus and eat dinner, go to bed, stay in bed, all the usual toddler wrangling challenges.
  • DH and I are currently in marriage counselling and so valuing our privacy more than usual. Being alone once the children go to sleep gives us space to talk things through if we need to, but otherwise enjoy some downtime together. The next few weeks feel really important for this given we’re about to be back on the newborn/sleep deprivation train soon.
  • Our house has just the one living space which is open plan with the kitchen. A toddler sleeps in our bedroom. There’s nowhere to escape to.

My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her. She hasn’t done anything wrong. When she moved I told her she would be welcome so suddenly saying no feels unfair. She knows we have the empty bedroom, so there’s no reason not to have her apart from simply not wanting to.

But I am running on empty and it feels (irrationally) like this one quiet houseguest will break me.

AIBU to say no this time? If not, how can I do it in a way that doesn’t hurt her feelings?

If I am BU, then please give me tips on managing houseguests with minimal effort. Sad

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 24/08/2019 09:21

Just out of curiosity, does she help you? Cook, wash up? Pay you? Bring wine? Take you it for dinner? Pay when she joins you on outings? Pay rent for storage?

ourkidmolly · 24/08/2019 09:29

You're heavily pregnant and in marriage counselling as well as working with two small children? And a mate wants to stay for 3 weeks? Confused
Concentrate on your health and marriage. Why risk either?

1Wildheartsease · 24/08/2019 09:41

No excuse needed.

The visit is NOT convenient. Tell her so.

She did ask- so is clearly aware that you could say no.

She is an employed adult and capable of making her own arrangements.

If you want to soften this, you could tell her that you and husband need some time together at the moment.

rookiemere · 24/08/2019 09:46

I think people are being a bit harsh with their comments on the friend, you were the one who gave her the key and to be fair to her she has asked rather than just stating that she will come to stay.

But I absolutely agree now is not the time for her to visit. Not for a night or 5 and definitely not 16. Use the polite wording about now not being a good time what with you being heavily pregnant, and be nice about it, but don't leave any wriggle room and definitely don't suggest she can come if she helps - that's nuts.

I would text rather than phone- to give her time to understand the message- then phone her in a day or two and maybe give her a few more details- but do not rescind and let her stay.

Good luck with the remaining pregnancy and the counselling.

EdtheBear · 24/08/2019 10:13

I'd be very careful with the wording "Now isn't a good time as your pregnant" that could be interpreted to mean it will be fine to stay once the baby is here.

I'd be making it clear the inn is full - no room at the inn!

If your friend has any sense she'll see that. Maybe she knows her days of using your place is numbered and is waiting for you to say maybe she was thinking this would be her last hurrah!

Who knows but it doesn't work for you. You need to get the toddler out your room asap.

SoonerthanIthought · 24/08/2019 10:21

Wishing, although mn isn't an oracle, it is interesting that virtually every poster thinks you are being reasonable not to want it - yet you thought you might be being VU. And you blame yourself for the fact that she booked the course before she checked. I think it can be difficult once you have a dh and dc to adjust to the fact that the time you can give to other family/old friends may be less. But that is very much the case. The phrase about 'put your own oxygen mask on' is very useful to remember when other people are making requests!

Agree with other pp who say no need whatever to tell her about the counselling.

MsTSwift · 24/08/2019 10:39

It’s very odd op has she got something over you? Helped you bury a body? Why are you so frightened to say no? It can be done kindly firmly and reasonably. She has done very well out of you over the years. You are prioritising her over yourself your marriage and your small dc. Why?! Is she the queen or something?

Longlongsummer · 24/08/2019 10:46

Giving someone a key is more than welcoming, it her that this is her home.

However you can change your mind, that’s absolutely fine. Just be tolerant if she’s taken aback and do it truthfully and clearly.

Don’t run a list of excuses though, just say it’s not working out anymore but suggest a future meet up instead. Like dinner or something so it’s not just hanging.

MumW · 24/08/2019 11:40

You are 8 months pregnant. Baby could come at anytime so you're afraid that your arrangement will have to stop and there is no way that 16 days is possible. Provided you are ok health/babywise, you'd love to see her whilst she's here for her course. Maybe she'd like to come for dinner one evening. Of course only if you want to she can come and stay as a guest occasionally but this can no longer be her home from home as you'll be needing the space for your new addition and all the assosiated paraphernalia.

dayslikethese1 · 24/08/2019 11:48

I think you've been too generous and she has taken advantage somewhat. I'd be annoyed if I were your DP. Just say no in a polite way and get the key back. As you say things have changed since you made the offer (bad idea in the first place IMO but you're nicer than me).

Snowfalling · 24/08/2019 11:56

I would not accept my husband giving our house keys and an open invitation to his friend to stay over any time.

Motoko · 24/08/2019 12:20

@WishingILivedOnAnIsland have you told her yet? What does DH think of her request, you haven't said?

PeevedNiamh · 24/08/2019 12:33

Actually I think you should say yes and that you wanted to talk to her anyway as you need the extra space now you're having another baby, so while she's there perhaps you could help her pack up her stuff.

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 24/08/2019 12:48

Friend really isn't a CF. We haven't given her any reason to think she isn't welcome. I've never asked her to help around the house, but im sure she would have if i had.

She's not the problem in my marriage (it wouldn't be much of a relationship if one houseguest could topple it) DH also has friends to stay. Houseguests are a local hazard for anyone with a spare room in our area. DH and I wouldn't mind hosting her if she spent most of her time out and just came back to sleep, as the other guests tend to do.

I've responded saying she is welcome to stay with us for just the weekend before the course, but we can't do the whole stretch as we're moving toddler into their own room pre baby (not sure if we actually will right away but setting up the room is useful). I added that while she's here we'd love her help clearing the guest room and moving furniture as we're re-jigging all the upstairs rooms. Guest room will become playroom, the guest bed is going on gumtree Sunday afternoon.

No more inn.

DH and I still want to be able to put people up occasionally, but from now on they'll be on the pullout couch on the landing. That way no one gets too comfortable!

I've learned my lesson about open offers.

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greenwaterbottle · 24/08/2019 12:57

Fantastic. Has she replied?
She also needs to clear your shed

WhatchaMaCalllit · 24/08/2019 12:58

Once she arrives, she won't be able to find alternative accommodation to cover her during her course so you'll end up having her for the entire duration.

Why couldn't you just say "not this time"?

cstaff · 24/08/2019 12:58

Good reply OP and very reasonable. No reason for you to fall out over that. Your arrangement was never going to last forever and this way it just makes it sound like a natural progression.

Let us know how she responds.

Mummyoflittledragon · 24/08/2019 12:58

Well done. That’s a good compromise. If her response is anything other than: thanks for letting her know, she will make alternative arrangements going forward, you’ll realise she is a user.

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 24/08/2019 13:02

@Motoko DH was willing to offer for her to stay one week, but I could tell he wasn't thrilled about it. It was more me that just couldn't handle it.

He sympathises with her that she is homesick and has anxiety. He likes her, but wants to spend his limited spare time with it just being family. He also found her really hard going last visit and thinks I need to make myself less available as an unpaid counsellor to my friends.

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NoSquirrels · 24/08/2019 13:28

Great message, OP. Hope it is received in the spirit you’ve meant it as graciously as possible, thanking you for everything up til now.

Monkeymilkshake · 24/08/2019 13:28

Brilliant answer OP.

EdtheBear · 24/08/2019 13:31

Op that's an excellent response. You both sound lovely people. Fingers crossed that you are able sort the issues in your marriage. Good luck

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 24/08/2019 13:32

@greenwaterbottle I'm not fussed about the shed. A problem for another day.

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Chapellass · 24/08/2019 13:34

You sound a lovely friend OP, and you've found a way forward that gives you the space you need to nest before your new baby arrives.

It's sounds as if your friend is going through a hard time, but your support doesn't have to be the provision of your house! You can still be a friend to her, it might be easier to be emotionally supportive if she's not staying in your space. (My DH makes comments to me re unpaid counsellor type of stuff, tbh it really pisses me up off and just demonstrates a lack of understanding about female friendships!)

Atalune · 24/08/2019 13:43

Has she replied?

She is beyond thick skinned asking this of you when you are so pregnant and have a young toddler.

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