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For revoking an open invitation to stay?

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 23/08/2019 12:47

I write half hoping to cop a bashing so I am more motivated to do the right thing.

A dear and wonderful friend moved to another town for a work opportunity about 2 years ago. When she moved I gave her a key and told her she was welcome to use our spare bedroom whenever she wanted to come back.

Since then she’s been staying for 1-3 nights at a time about once a month. She’ll usually be back for one specific thing like a medical appointment or an engagement party but have no other plans. She keeps personal belongings in the spare room and stores larger items in our shed so our place serves as her hometown base.

She’s not loud or messy or ungrateful. But- she is underfoot. She is a homebody and mostly stays in, pottering about our living room/kitchen with cups of tea. She tends to come along if we go for brunch, to the park, walking with the children etc. Which is lovely but it eats into family time.

There is all the usual houseguest stuff- more laundry, more pressure to tidy up, an extra clean of the bathroom, the need to make polite chit chat first thing in the morning when I just want to stagger wordlessly towards the kettle. But for a few nights it’s no big problem.

She’s just texted to check that she can stay for 16-20 days straight while she does a professional course next week.

And I reeeeally don’t want to host her for that long.

My reasons (mostly selfish):

  • she’s recently stopped taking anxiety medication and the last time she stayed she spent each evening talking repetitively at length about very small problems that were obviously swirling around in her head. I spent a lot of time listening and being reassuring and supportive. But it was draining. It also took a lot of time away from the other things I normally get done in the evenings (life admin, laundry, catching up on work emails etc). I also find that stress in other people rubs off on me and I felt stressed for days after she left.
  • I’m 8 months pregnant and I. Am. Tired. I am sore. I don’t want more housework, more emotional labour, one more person to think about. When the children are asleep I want to plough through my To-Do list if I have any energy or switch off completely if I don’t.
  • We have easily excited toddlers and having an extra person in the house makes it that much harder to get them to focus and eat dinner, go to bed, stay in bed, all the usual toddler wrangling challenges.
  • DH and I are currently in marriage counselling and so valuing our privacy more than usual. Being alone once the children go to sleep gives us space to talk things through if we need to, but otherwise enjoy some downtime together. The next few weeks feel really important for this given we’re about to be back on the newborn/sleep deprivation train soon.
  • Our house has just the one living space which is open plan with the kitchen. A toddler sleeps in our bedroom. There’s nowhere to escape to.

My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her. She hasn’t done anything wrong. When she moved I told her she would be welcome so suddenly saying no feels unfair. She knows we have the empty bedroom, so there’s no reason not to have her apart from simply not wanting to.

But I am running on empty and it feels (irrationally) like this one quiet houseguest will break me.

AIBU to say no this time? If not, how can I do it in a way that doesn’t hurt her feelings?

If I am BU, then please give me tips on managing houseguests with minimal effort. Sad

OP posts:
user1493494961 · 23/08/2019 18:13

I don't think she sounds like a good friend at all, she's massively taken advantage of you for the last two years. No wonder your DH is fed-up. Stop this now and concentrate on your marriage and family.

AlpacaGoodnight · 23/08/2019 18:24

I'd maybe say 2-3 nights would be the max and say it would be lovely to see her as once you have the baby unfortunately you will need your key back and won't be able to host anymore (if you need to tell her you are moving the toddler into the room even if you aren't). I really don't think it sounds like it will be good for you or your marriage if you allow the long stint or the regular few days

Crazyladee · 23/08/2019 18:25

For God's sake don't let her stay at all! Even for one night! Why do that? Why do you feel you owe her anything after two years of providing free accommodation, food and laundry services! Not to mention, a tagger on to precious family time.

If you let her stay even for one night, It will be much more awkward having to turf her out face to face and like other people have said you could end up with a sob story and then end up relenting.

You have the perfect opportunity now to nip this arrangement completely in the bud. You shouldn't and I certainly wouldn't have to go into private details about your marriage. Just ring or text and say the arrangement has to come to an end as you are no longer in a position to accommodate her stays and that you would like her to clear out your spare room and hand your key back. End of.

Dustyroad63 · 23/08/2019 18:36

Even if she's been welcome for a few days at a time, this recent request is massively taking the piss.
16/20 days is very different to a couple of days for a party or appointment. And even then I think it's a cheek and I certainly wouldn't put that on anybody once a month.
You sound like a lovely person and you need your own time now.
She definitely needs telling no and to pick up her belongings.

StealthPolarBear · 23/08/2019 18:49

You have toddlers plural and this has been going on for two years so Realistically since your youngest child was a baby. So she sees that's you've been OK hosting her with tiny child or children before and this is more of the same. You need to be much clearer.

Snowfalling · 23/08/2019 19:59

You are putting this woman ahead of your dh and your marriage. You're at a crucial point, about to have another baby while having marriage counselling. These could be the last few weeks you are able to spend evenings alone with dh before baby arrives. Is keeping this friend happy worth it when so much seems to be at stake?

I wouldn't allow her to stay at all, not even for a few days. She needs to know that things have changed.

Motoko · 23/08/2019 22:56

OP, you have toddlers, are about to have another child, your marriage is having problems, and your husband finds her visits grating.

Why the hell are you even thinking of offering her 5 days? Why are you not thinking about what this could do to your marriage? It's time you grew up, and tell her no.

Where is your toddler going to sleep when you've got the baby home? Surely not in the same room? The baby will keep the toddler awake. You need to get toddler settled in his/her own room, before you have the baby, ie now.

You posted this thread at lunch time, and have been procrastinating all afternoon. Have you told her yet? You've had lots of replies giving you texts you can send, so pick one (but none of the few that offer her a few days) and send it. If your friend is as lovely as you say she is, she will understand.

If you allow her to stay from now on, you can't value your marriage enough, because if I was your husband, this situation would be more than grating, and I would seriously rethink my marriage to a woman who puts her friend above me, during this time we're already having problems.

MrsDesireeCarthorse · 23/08/2019 23:10

I bet your husband hates her and wishes she would fuck off out of his house and life along with all her stuff. She is a freeloader. A week notice for a three week stay? Storing her stuff?

Why on earth did you let her keep coming when you knew your husband didn't like it? I would lay money she is a major issue in your marriage issues. Get rid of this guest asap.

leomama81 · 23/08/2019 23:17

You could actually have the baby any time now, that is the only reason you need right there. I honestly wouldn't offer her five days, it is ridiculous of her to ask at this time. I'm six months pregnant and I cannot imagine hosting anyone for that long even now, let alone at that stage.

And I can't imagine ever thinking it would be ok to ask any of my friends to host me at that stage of pregnancy (or in fact ever for that length of time). I do think she is really being extremely inconsiderate tbh.

katkit · 23/08/2019 23:34

Yanbu

Cherrysoup · 23/08/2019 23:40

FFS, OP! Stop letting her take the piss! Add up how much she should owe you for full board, she is NOT your responsibility or your child. You’re having marriage counselling?? I bet your dh is totally fed up with her staying but is trying to be nice for the sake of your marriage. Tell her no. You have a fabulous choice of reasons/excuses. Use them before your dh walks.

HeadlessGummyBears · 23/08/2019 23:42

Not sure why some posters are even suggesting even one or two days. This arrangement has been going for two years. OP, you need to nip this in the bud as soon as possible. You’ve been far too kind and I’m afraid your friend needs to just grow up.

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 23/08/2019 23:49

"Hi lovely, it's lovely to hear from you and thanks for checking. In truth I'm sorry I can't host you this time, what with pregnancy, marriage problems etc. I'd love to see you for a couple of hours of an evening while you're here though! "

Totally alternative approach:

"Hi sweetie, good to hear from you! You're welcome to stay, but I know you'd want me to be honest, things aren't great here. I'm struggling doing everything while I'm so heavily pregnant, and our marriage is in crisis. I'd need to ask you to take us as we come (I'm finding keeping on top of housework hard, and I'm not sociable either end of the day at the moment) and for you to change the sheets yourself. To be honest if you'd be willing to cook and watch the kids for us a couple of times that would ne a great help too. I appreciate you might need somewhere to just rest and not have to do anything after all that study, so it's perfectly ok if you'd rather stay elsewhere. Thanks for understanding xxx"

TriciaH87 · 23/08/2019 23:56

Tell her it's not a good time with the baby due. You could even say you need to turn the room she uses into a nursery this month give her the hint it's been going on too long now.

BlueBilledBeatboxingBird · 23/08/2019 23:58

Life was different two years ago when I made the offer. I meant it at the time and for sometime after. It's just too much now.

This is what you need to say to her.

Sunflower20 · 24/08/2019 00:02

Just say you're having marriage problems and need space to work on things.

gamerchick · 24/08/2019 00:13

Tell her sorry but you're having marital problems and husband is in spare room. It's not a good time and with a newborn on the way it's just not a good idea for an extended stay. To let you know when she has found a b&b and you'll have a catch up.

Proseccoinamug · 24/08/2019 00:15

You’re totally not unreasonable OP but I think the replies here are very harsh on your friend.
You’ve treated her like a sister and she is treating you as one. She has no reason to think that things have changed.

You don’t want to hurt her, you love her, that’s clear. If you feel comfortable, tell her so. Tell her about the counselling if you can and that you’re struggling and that it all feels too much.

Don’t say it in the standoffish or formal way some people are suggesting. Tell her you’re being honest with her because you value her friendship so much. Tell her how much you care.

Will she be supportive if she’s such a close friend? Is there anything she can do to help? Take your toddlers out to give you and she done time? Cook a meal? Look after toddler while you’re in hospital? Anything? Would you feel comfortable to ask?

I’d want to keep this good friendship I think and I wouldn’t think she’s a CF, she’s your friend.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 24/08/2019 00:41

2 years of this, and you have toddlers? I'm wondering about the time frames here.

Was she hanging around waiting to be entertained while you had little babies? Does she help?

You know what a friend does when her friend is heavily pregnant and has toddlers? Not make her life harder An actually nice friend would be helping you, letting you rest, cooking/cleaning, watching the toddlers while you nap. Has she done any of this? No. She hasn't even thought about it. Instead, she's just blithely booked something for herself and assumed your family will absorb the hit. Again.

chatwoo · 24/08/2019 07:27

I'm thinking about offering for her to stay for the first 5 days given she's in a pinch of my making

Your friend isn't in a pinch because of you!! I agree with PPs who say just tell her it's too long, you've got the little ones to look after, with new baby about to come into the world. If you offer 5 days, what incentive does she have to leave after that? She will just ask to stay because it's too expensive to stay somewhere else and etc and etc and etc.

EdtheBear · 24/08/2019 08:41

Op I wouldn't mention marriage problems, it's none of her business. Shes quiet simply over stayed her welcome. Time to put your family first.
I'd message back

"Friend sorry but we are unable to host you for the course. As you know our family is growing and we need all the space we have for the children. However since you'll be in town it would be great if you could drop by, have coffee and collect your belongings"

The bit that I don't get is the course if 5 days, so at a push she needs to be in town for 5 nights (that could be cut to 4 by travelling early on the first morning) What would she be doing for the other 20? Invade for the weekends before and after, and maybe a weeks holiday after that!!!
If she can afford the course she must be able to afford a hotel room for 4 nights.

My guess is you'll hardly hear from her after you put an end to the visits. She's using and abusing you.

Box up her stuff, start moving toddler into the spare room this weekend. Post pictures of the room with its new decor and the cot in it. Make it crystal clear that her room is no more.

ThatCurlyGirl · 24/08/2019 08:46

Ah you sound absolutely lovely OP.

I think the message way back on the thread from @Thehop is perfect.

The thing is, if she's a kind friend as invested in the friendship long term as you then she'll understand.

If she doesn't understand and is annoyed with you then she isn't a very good friend IMO.

You sound like you're under so much pressure at the moment - if I was her I'd appreciate your honesty and while in the area during that course month I'd want to come see you a couple of times (not staying just some fun time) to cheer you up and offer a bit of help!

I'd see it as just being a good friend as well as it being a thank you for your hospitality and support in the previous months you have opened your home to her.

Like I said you sound like a lovely friend so don't let this situation add to your list of things to worry about ThanksThanksThanks

frizzattack · 24/08/2019 08:53

Do not tell her your marriage problems to get her not to stay!!!! That’s so weird and I think a bit disrespectful to your DH. Just say it’s not a good time as you’re so heavily pregnant etc

OneStepSideways · 24/08/2019 08:57

She sounds very lonely and isolated. Has she got any friends in her new area? As she's just come off medication and is relying on you for accommodation while she does her course, I'd let her stay this time but put firm boundaries in place. She clearly thinks of your home as a sort of second home so treat her as you would a close relative, give her jobs to do, ask her to help with the kids, sort her own bedding etc (just leave them out and ask her to make her bed and strip it when she leaves). Blame your pregnancy tiredness if you feel awkward! Tell her you feel queasy and need quiet time if she talks too much. Ask her not to talk first thing in the morning (I tell my friends I need to have at least 2 coffees before I can chat!)

This is how I manage my anxious friend who likes staying with me, I treat her like one of the family. She actually seems to like being given jobs, she now empties the dishwasher without being asked and often shops and cooks meals (I didn't ask her to cook but once she felt more comfortable she started doing it anyway as she likes cooking). She makes her own bed up from the airing cupboard and puts the linen in the wash when she leaves. Visits are much nicer for everyone, and she has things to keep her busy instead of pottering after me like a lost lamb!

Failing that, turn the spare room into a nursery!

Lockshunkugel · 24/08/2019 09:07

I’m another one who thinks that your friend has been part of your marriage problems.

Why are you so scared to say no to this person? Is it really worth finishing off your marriage for good because you can’t say ‘no it isn’t convenient at the moment’?

Sorry to be blunt, but if I was married to you I’d be so frustrated with my partner’s whiny friend getting in the way, not helping out with the kids and spending hours talking shit because she won’t take her meds!

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