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For revoking an open invitation to stay?

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 23/08/2019 12:47

I write half hoping to cop a bashing so I am more motivated to do the right thing.

A dear and wonderful friend moved to another town for a work opportunity about 2 years ago. When she moved I gave her a key and told her she was welcome to use our spare bedroom whenever she wanted to come back.

Since then she’s been staying for 1-3 nights at a time about once a month. She’ll usually be back for one specific thing like a medical appointment or an engagement party but have no other plans. She keeps personal belongings in the spare room and stores larger items in our shed so our place serves as her hometown base.

She’s not loud or messy or ungrateful. But- she is underfoot. She is a homebody and mostly stays in, pottering about our living room/kitchen with cups of tea. She tends to come along if we go for brunch, to the park, walking with the children etc. Which is lovely but it eats into family time.

There is all the usual houseguest stuff- more laundry, more pressure to tidy up, an extra clean of the bathroom, the need to make polite chit chat first thing in the morning when I just want to stagger wordlessly towards the kettle. But for a few nights it’s no big problem.

She’s just texted to check that she can stay for 16-20 days straight while she does a professional course next week.

And I reeeeally don’t want to host her for that long.

My reasons (mostly selfish):

  • she’s recently stopped taking anxiety medication and the last time she stayed she spent each evening talking repetitively at length about very small problems that were obviously swirling around in her head. I spent a lot of time listening and being reassuring and supportive. But it was draining. It also took a lot of time away from the other things I normally get done in the evenings (life admin, laundry, catching up on work emails etc). I also find that stress in other people rubs off on me and I felt stressed for days after she left.
  • I’m 8 months pregnant and I. Am. Tired. I am sore. I don’t want more housework, more emotional labour, one more person to think about. When the children are asleep I want to plough through my To-Do list if I have any energy or switch off completely if I don’t.
  • We have easily excited toddlers and having an extra person in the house makes it that much harder to get them to focus and eat dinner, go to bed, stay in bed, all the usual toddler wrangling challenges.
  • DH and I are currently in marriage counselling and so valuing our privacy more than usual. Being alone once the children go to sleep gives us space to talk things through if we need to, but otherwise enjoy some downtime together. The next few weeks feel really important for this given we’re about to be back on the newborn/sleep deprivation train soon.
  • Our house has just the one living space which is open plan with the kitchen. A toddler sleeps in our bedroom. There’s nowhere to escape to.

My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her. She hasn’t done anything wrong. When she moved I told her she would be welcome so suddenly saying no feels unfair. She knows we have the empty bedroom, so there’s no reason not to have her apart from simply not wanting to.

But I am running on empty and it feels (irrationally) like this one quiet houseguest will break me.

AIBU to say no this time? If not, how can I do it in a way that doesn’t hurt her feelings?

If I am BU, then please give me tips on managing houseguests with minimal effort. Sad

OP posts:
YoTheGinPussyOfStMawesOnThigh · 28/08/2019 17:01

Does your DF not receive any post wherever she lives? Surely she would need to go home at intervals to collect it. Please don’t come back and tell us she has it all redirected to your home. She needs to go home this weekend to sort out her affairs, pay bills, do whatever shit needs doing. What if her roof has sprung a leak? what if her boiler has burst?

Derbee · 28/08/2019 17:08

I’m bemused at all the posters congratulating you for taking a stand. I don’t think you have taken a stand, when you have someone so blatantly taking the piss.

The more updates you give, the weaker you sound. You have 2 unpleasant non friends ganging up on you, which is very unfair. However, if you said to CheekyFucker that she has to leave, and MutualNonfriends that it’s not your problem, and they can either help CF or not, you’d be out of this situation.

I thought your DH has the patience of a saint, but actually he sounds weak and spineless too. Paying for a bloody B&B? What the actual fuck??

I think if you want to be a doormat, you should be a doormat. But all of this false indignence is getting a bit silly now. 3 people are taking the piss out of you as clearly as they could possibly do, and your “taking a stand” is saying something along the lines of “I feel a little bit resentful to be honest”. I started reading this bloody ages ago, with sympathy. But even in your OP, you were asking to ideas on how to manage this houseguest, so you obviously knew you’d let her stay the whole 3 weeks.

If you make your bed, lie in it and don’t complain.

SunshineCake · 28/08/2019 17:19

Please stop bullying the OP. Rude, cruel and out of order comments are just making you think you are hard when really you just look pathetic.

Good luck with the baby, OP.

leomama81 · 28/08/2019 17:23

"My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her"
*
From your first post OP.
I will absolutely guarantee that this ^ is about as far from the truth as ou can possibly imagine.

You have actually ASKED something of her - to limit her trip to the weekend - and she has absolutely prioritised only her needs.*

I have to say - this is a very good point OP. You do need something of her now, at a really important time for you, and she hasn't done it.

It is not up to you to solve this problem for her. She was the one who booked herself on a really long course without any accommodation arranged.

I think it is frustrating for some posters because you seem to really desperately need her gone and have asked for advice on it but yet unable to just do the quite simple thing of telling her to leave. If this really is a two way friendship - and I do think you are looking at things with rose tinted glasses there - she will understand and not make it about her needs. If not, then you should really reassess your view on this friendship.

Good luck with it, and if she does stay on then I really hope she is as easy a houseguest as possible for you in your final months of pregnancy. Thanks

leomama81 · 28/08/2019 17:28

Sorry, those 2nd and 3rd pars are @MzHz - bolding didn't work.

I agree people shouldn't give OP a hard time, may be time to ask for the thread to be taken down if it has become more of a stress than a help.

Rockylady · 28/08/2019 17:29

@derbee
If you are having a bad day (and you know you are) then do not take it on some random person's thread just to vent you repressed ire (or is it just for fun behind the veil of anonymity?). Before blaming anyone just look at your actions. I hope it is only a bad day/bad decision and you are not the spoilt easy tongue person that just showed on here.
Please go back to bed and have a good think before anything. An apology would be a good next move by the way.

YoTheGinPussyOfStMawesOnThigh · 28/08/2019 17:30

I don’t think posters are intending to bully the OP, we are all terribly sorry for her and the situation she is in.

I remember reading Bob Geldof’s autobiography many years ago. In it he described how Paula Yates was always everywhere he went and how he called her The Limpet. OP your houseguest should be hence forth known as The Limpet.

Gitfeatures · 28/08/2019 17:31

Good luck with the baby, OP.

Which one?

Snog · 28/08/2019 17:31

I like the idea of getting DH to say that the midwife is concerned about you needing to rest and has told you that you must not have house guests or be worried or stressed about anything.

He can tell DF she needs to leave tonight and offer to pay for one night in a B&B if he is feeling generous although I'd be inclined not to. She has two other MFs to choose from so I'm sure one of them will take her in. And if not she is an adult and can book herself into a B&B or go to her own home. Lots of choices here for her.

None of these friends is to contact you until the midwife has given the OK as you are too stressed out and exhausted.

Nobody can argue with that.

All of your friends are being inconsiderate OP. It is fine to take some time for yourself and your family when you need to.

Concentrate on getting rid of your overstaying friend and don't worry about talking about any future stays at the moment. DH needs to ask for the key back for when your mum/other relative stays after the birth.

After this all friends should feel very guilty and send you flowers or they are pretty crappy friends imo.

BoomBoomsCousin · 28/08/2019 17:38

I can't articulate why but I'm way more annoyed at our mutual friends than I am at houseguest friend.

I think it’s reasonable to be annoyed at MFs - you’re struggling and they’ve chosen a side. They could stick to their boundaries without throwing you under the bus like they have. They could have done so and supported your own boundary making with something like: “Sorry LF, I can’t put you up. You really should have checked such a long visit was OK with Wishing before you booked the course.” They aren’t even staying neutral saying “Sorry LF, I can’t put you up.” they’re saying “Sorry LF, I can’t put you up, I’m sure Wishing will do it really, let me call her.” And that’s pretty pants.

But it really isn’t as pants as LF who after asking at the last minute was told only the weekend, hasn’t paid any attention to that, hasn’t even addressed it with you by the sounds of it and clearly knows she shouldn’t be there if she’s whining to MFs about being unwelcome but still hasn’t managed to do what she should and wither pay for a hotel or cut her losses on the course.

So being more annoyed with MFs than LFs seems misplaced.

I suspect it is partly, as Puzzled said, that your MFs’ ability to not be landed with a house guest they don’t want makes you feel like more of a chump. Which is understandable given your situation, but not entirely fair. I suppose it looks, in a way, like you and your MFs have been a great support to LF while she’s been struggling with he move to another time, but in reality it’s you that’s done all the heavy lifting and you’re realising now that’s not just because it happened to be sensible in the circumstances, it’s because MFs had no intention of putting in the effort you did. But that’s not really their fault. If they’d wanted to host her they’d have offered her a house key too. Now you don’t want LF in your house but you don’t want to kick her out, you want your MFs to take over the hosting burden so you don’t have to feel bad about the fact you’re saying “No” to LF. Which, again, isn’t really fair on them.

Also, perhaps this is another aspect of the way you have infantalized LF? Maybe you’re blaming MFs more because you don’t really think of LF as being responsible for herself. It isn’t her fault she’s lonely. It isn’t her fault she hasn’t made friends in new location. It isn’t her fault she doesn’t earn enough to afford a hotel. It isn’t her fault she’s booked a course she can’t attend without being a burden. So it’s up to you and MFs to mitigate that. But that really isn’t the case. You take her agency from her (which she, admittedly, seems all too willing to give up) by doing this for her. You need to support her in tackling her problems, not avoiding them.

I would also add that if MFs (or LF) mention LF feeling unwelcome again you might own that a bit - “Well, of course, she feels unwelcome. A week long stay after I’d said we could only accommodate a weekend is unwelcome. That can’t be a surprise. It doesn’t mean I don’t value our friendship. And, I might add, as unwelcome as she may feel I doubt it’s close to how taken for granted I’m feeling right now.”

BoomBoomsCousin · 28/08/2019 17:41

*struggling with he move to another time

Should be “struggling with the move to another area”

Motoko · 28/08/2019 17:43

Op has definitely followed advice, told cf and mf. Tbh they're all hard faced and aren't listening.

The thing is, people gave advice on the 1st page, to tell her friend, in a kind way, that due to being 8 months pregnant, it wasn't convenient, and not to offer her even one night, because her friend might not leave, and then she'd have trouble getting her to go. But OP ignored that advice, and went ahead and told friend she could stay for the weekend. And here we are, exactly as predicted.

OP is too close to see what the majority of other posters could see, that her friend, wasn't the lovely person OP thought she was, due to her taking advantage of the open invitation.

This is why people are frustrated.

Shortfeet · 28/08/2019 17:49

I’ve just read the whole thread.
I think OP , you would have been better to be 100%upfront at the start and say of course there’s a bed for you here but I need both family time and privacy so please come to stay but on the understanding you keep out of the way and just use the room as a base to sleep and shower so my routine isn’t disrupted.
And arrange ONE evening or afternoon during her stay to go out for coffee/ dinner , just you and friend , for a proper catch up .

TowelNumber42 · 28/08/2019 18:03

You think you'll feel crap for throwing her out, turning a blind eye to the tears and emotional blackmail. However, I think you will feel crap for a few hours or maybe even days but then you will feel a happier, stronger woman. You'll feel better about yourself not worse.

Mxyzptlk · 28/08/2019 18:04

struggling with her move to another time

Grin CF is in another time zone, or maybe on a totally other planet.
EdtheBear · 28/08/2019 18:13

Op how are you this evening?

Have either of the MFs came back with an offer of board for her?

Have you started trying to move the office yet?

Derbee · 28/08/2019 18:19

@Rockylady I wouldn’t normally respond to ignorant randomers on the internet, r post is seriously misjudged, and hilariously ironic, ripping into me behind your “veil of anonymity”. How is it spoilt to think that after a week, and with no end in sight the OP should have her bloody house back to herself. You’re a joke.

It’s got fuck all to do with anonymity. If I lived near the OP I would happily pop in and tell the CF that her pregnant friend needs a break. If you think congratulations are due for someone taking a stand (when they haven’t really) then crack on. You are a joke though. I suspect, as with most ignorant posters, you haven’t RTFT. But ho hum

JamOnTheCarpet · 28/08/2019 18:21

When she does eventually leave, change the lock.

Even if you do get the key back from her you don't want the worry that she'll show up a few weeks later and let herself in with the spare that she had made 'for emergencies'.

Presumably the course runs mon-fri each week, so even if she has nowhere else to stay on friday evening, she can just go home.

Jux · 28/08/2019 18:21

Do what IchiNiSan said:

Friday must be the deadline and she cannot return after the weekend. Clearly if you capitulate and allow her back again for any amount of time, she'll just not leave.

Regarding your mutual friends, I think the best thing is to leave them to it, and not get involved in any arrangements. House guest can do get own organising.

Prepare one or two statements and don't deviate:
"You need to return your key and leave on Friday morning"
"But...."
"You need to return your key and leave on Friday morning"
"It'd be really difficult for me"
"That's unfortunate. You need to return your key..."

The longer you leave it the harder it'll be, and the worse it will be for your friend, as well as harder for her to find alternative places to stay.

Do it now, she'll pack tomorrow night, and drive to her home after the course on Friday, giving her all weekend to find somewhere else. Should she be cheeky enough to say she expected to spend the weekend with you, give a little laugh of astonishment and expostulate "but we have to spend time as a family!" Disbelief that she should even have considered such a thing amazes you.

But really, try not to get dragged into it. Just grey rock the 'Key, Friday' mantra.

Derbee · 28/08/2019 18:30

OP, we’ve all been posting support and suggestions for the best part of a week! You were almost unanimously warned not to let your friend sneak in for a weekend, or even a night, as there was no way you’d be able to get her to leave. That’s what’s frustrating - you seem surprised at how this has worked out. And most people saw it happening in slow motion.

Chillyourbeans · 28/08/2019 18:33

Labelling the OP as weak isn't helpful in the least. None of us know the nuances of the friendship group. On the surface, yes, they have infantilised Lovely Friend and the kindest course of action long term would be a dose of tough love to get her to take responsibility for herself. But how long have the anxiety issues been a feature? MH problems aren't an excuse to derail someone else's life but what if the nagging fear in OP's mind is that if she stands up to LF now it might trigger some kind of catastrophic reaction?

Teaandcrisps · 28/08/2019 18:42

OP ignore the negative comments on this thread. I for sure would value more friends like you. It's not a bad thing at all to tread lightly to value friendships and not go in heavy handed. I hope that it works out well for you.

Derbee - why dont you buzz off and start your own thread about sitting in the shed with fuck all friends.

Drum2018 · 28/08/2019 18:48

MF needs to explain why her husband can't do without his home office for a couple more weeks, particularly given that (presumably) he has struggled along without up till no

She really doesn't. She didn't have to explain why she couldn't have CF sponger friend at all. She should have just said 'No, CF sponger friend cannot stay'. As should op. But here they all are, tripping over themselves to try and pass CF sponger friend onto one another, when the reality is none of them should be putting her up.

Cherrysoup · 28/08/2019 18:49

@dollydaydream114

😂

SchadenfreudePersonified · 28/08/2019 18:51

struggling with he move to another time

Should be “struggling with the move to another area”

Sometimes autocorrect amazes me BoomBoom

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