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For revoking an open invitation to stay?

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 23/08/2019 12:47

I write half hoping to cop a bashing so I am more motivated to do the right thing.

A dear and wonderful friend moved to another town for a work opportunity about 2 years ago. When she moved I gave her a key and told her she was welcome to use our spare bedroom whenever she wanted to come back.

Since then she’s been staying for 1-3 nights at a time about once a month. She’ll usually be back for one specific thing like a medical appointment or an engagement party but have no other plans. She keeps personal belongings in the spare room and stores larger items in our shed so our place serves as her hometown base.

She’s not loud or messy or ungrateful. But- she is underfoot. She is a homebody and mostly stays in, pottering about our living room/kitchen with cups of tea. She tends to come along if we go for brunch, to the park, walking with the children etc. Which is lovely but it eats into family time.

There is all the usual houseguest stuff- more laundry, more pressure to tidy up, an extra clean of the bathroom, the need to make polite chit chat first thing in the morning when I just want to stagger wordlessly towards the kettle. But for a few nights it’s no big problem.

She’s just texted to check that she can stay for 16-20 days straight while she does a professional course next week.

And I reeeeally don’t want to host her for that long.

My reasons (mostly selfish):

  • she’s recently stopped taking anxiety medication and the last time she stayed she spent each evening talking repetitively at length about very small problems that were obviously swirling around in her head. I spent a lot of time listening and being reassuring and supportive. But it was draining. It also took a lot of time away from the other things I normally get done in the evenings (life admin, laundry, catching up on work emails etc). I also find that stress in other people rubs off on me and I felt stressed for days after she left.
  • I’m 8 months pregnant and I. Am. Tired. I am sore. I don’t want more housework, more emotional labour, one more person to think about. When the children are asleep I want to plough through my To-Do list if I have any energy or switch off completely if I don’t.
  • We have easily excited toddlers and having an extra person in the house makes it that much harder to get them to focus and eat dinner, go to bed, stay in bed, all the usual toddler wrangling challenges.
  • DH and I are currently in marriage counselling and so valuing our privacy more than usual. Being alone once the children go to sleep gives us space to talk things through if we need to, but otherwise enjoy some downtime together. The next few weeks feel really important for this given we’re about to be back on the newborn/sleep deprivation train soon.
  • Our house has just the one living space which is open plan with the kitchen. A toddler sleeps in our bedroom. There’s nowhere to escape to.

My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her. She hasn’t done anything wrong. When she moved I told her she would be welcome so suddenly saying no feels unfair. She knows we have the empty bedroom, so there’s no reason not to have her apart from simply not wanting to.

But I am running on empty and it feels (irrationally) like this one quiet houseguest will break me.

AIBU to say no this time? If not, how can I do it in a way that doesn’t hurt her feelings?

If I am BU, then please give me tips on managing houseguests with minimal effort. Sad

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SandAndSea · 28/08/2019 14:44

OP, I think you're handling this really well. That last phone call to your MF was inspired. I'm sure that most of us wouldn't be handling this as well as you are.

I really feel for your friend too. I think she's possibly got herself into a difficult situation and doesn't know how to get herself out of it. (Or, she does, but she's hoping to just plough through at the cost of her friendship with you. Who knows?)

Your MFs on the other hand... They sound more 'mutual' than 'friend' to me.

If I was to change one thing, it might be to be more honest with your over-staying friend. I think that telling her that you're no longer having guests to stay and not everyone is as good a guest as her, could make it hard for her to hear the real message. She might well be thinking that you mean everyone except her! I think I would emphasize your pregnancy more now. It's perfectly reasonable for you to want to rest and nest - anyone would understand that.

Good luck with it all.

IchiNiSan · 28/08/2019 14:44

Given the situation as it stands now, I think the best thing is to be clear that your house guest must take her things with her on Friday morning. Make sure she rewritten get key before then return her key before Friday- how about today, if you're around to let her in? Or Thursday evening at the latest.
Friday must be the deadline and she cannot return after the weekend. Clearly if you capitulate and allow her back again for any amount of time, she'll just not leave.

Regarding your mutual friends, I think the best thing is to leave them to it, and not get involved in any arrangements. House guest can do get own organising.

Prepare one or two statements and don't deviate:
"You need to return your key and leave on Friday morning"
"But...."
"You need to return your key and leave on Friday morning"
"It'd be really difficult for me"
"That's unfortunate. You need to return your key..."

Frownette · 28/08/2019 14:47

vivarium I thought she sounded quite manipulative - she seems to be putting on a helpless little girl act and abdicating responsibility.

She disrespected OPs wishes that it was only for the weekend. Actually she seems to regard OP as her mother.

Jeezoh · 28/08/2019 14:54

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EdtheBear · 28/08/2019 14:57

Savingspaces - really glad you find it hilarious!

We dont know the background to the House friend, we don't know why the others feel the need to care for her.
I assume she's a vulnerable young adult with no real family to fall back on. She really is treating Op like family however that doesnt mean Op needs to host her or play mum to her.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 28/08/2019 14:58

Wow - what a kind and supportive post, @Jeezoh! Hmm

Bookworm4 · 28/08/2019 15:15

@EdtheBear
I think the CF wants them to think she’s a poor soul, she’s not; she’s got a job, her own home, a car. She’s a manipulator, playing 3 women off against each other to get what she wants.
She’s a grown adult who is abusing her friends to get out of paying a hotel, she booked the course without checking OP was ok with the long stay.
Nothing vulnerable about this user.

woodymiller · 28/08/2019 15:16

OP I'm sorry if my previous post implied you were putting your baby at risk. I meant that you should plant the seed with your friend that while she clearly isn't giving two hoots about you maybe she'd care a little more about baby. Your conversation with mutual friend was spot on. Don't waiver from that and don't be scared to explain it's not just the physical space but your head space that she's taking over that you need back.

Dustyroad63 · 28/08/2019 15:33

I've read the whole thread but still can't understand why your friend isn't liasing with the mutual friends about staying with them.
Why are they telling YOU they can't have her to stay?
Are they afraid of upsetting her? Surely it should be between them.

I really feel for you op as I used to be a people pleaser and was always being put upon.
Now I'm in my 50's I just do what I want and if people don't like it then tough. No way will I be made to feel uncomfortable in my own home.
It's just not on.

Frownette · 28/08/2019 15:41

I'm sorry I've been a bit vocal in criticism of your friend OP.

Most of us have felt indignant at the way she's behaving.

Pregnancy should be a relaxing, magical time waiting to welcome your new family member, hope you can find nice ways to destress

EdtheBear · 28/08/2019 15:49

Bookworm4 - house, car, job aren't necessarily the things I mean when I say vulnerable.
More she seems to be lacking any family support or family she can rely on.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/08/2019 15:52

I can't articulate why but I'm way more annoyed at our mutual friends than I am at houseguest friend

I mean this gently, OP, but could this be because their own assertiveness is throwing your own tendency to roll over into greater relief? It's true their suggestions about what to do in your own home are "off", but there seems little point in shifting blame for what is, after all, your own decision

It's perfectly possible to make DF leave if you choose to and there've been countless excellent suggestions already. But the choice remains yours

Bookworm4 · 28/08/2019 16:01

@EdtheBear
Maybe she outstayed her welcome with family too, from the info given she’s not vulnerable, she’s portrayed herself as this poor wee soul when in actual fact she’s a user and thick skinned to boot.

TowelNumber42 · 28/08/2019 16:04

Have you got a plan for when she doesn't leave on Friday?

I think you are taking too much responsibility for another adult. For Friday, can you prepare yourself to be 100% not my problem

You need key phrases like
"I'm sure you will work something out"
"Yes that does sound difficult. Good luck with it."
"That's a shame"
"Bye"

Ban yourself from offering any suggestions at all. She is an adult. She has had lots of warning. Making even the suggestion of a B&B or talking about other friends' availability should be on your banned list. Suggestions pull the ownership back onto you instead of leaving it with her where it belongs.

Make plans for Friday night. Something. Anything. Ensure she takes all her stuff on Friday morning because she isn't coming back on Friday after the course. Ideally get most of it into the car on Thursday night. That'll give you early warning of her having bugger all intention of leaving.

8 months pregnant is a great time to ask your DH to step up and be the hero to ensure she bloody well leaves.

dollydaydream114 · 28/08/2019 16:06

We're all going to be popping back to this thread on Friday to see if CF is gone, aren't we?

I'd have poisoned her fucking cornflakes by now.

FurnitureAndBackgammon · 28/08/2019 16:16

Ask her what she wants for her goodbye meal tomorrow evening...

Whilst I don't think OP should be cooking for CF, I do think this is an excellent suggestion. Even asking what takeaway she would like as her last supper, as you won't see her after her course on Friday.

If you find it hard to be assertive OP, this is a nice easy way to make sure she gets the message once and for all without being too rude.

ChangeItChild · 28/08/2019 16:21

I started reading this thread in bewilderment at how an unwelcome guest would end up staying so much and even have a key to your house...I found it really confusing.

And then it began to unfold how weak you are and it is understandable how you are being walked all over like this.

You've had so much advice on here, that could have solved this problem, but you won't follow it.

Mxyzptlk · 28/08/2019 16:31

[DH] offered to just pay for a B&B to get her out of my hair but I said no

Why?
Then she'd maybe realise how much of the piss she is taking, or at least she'd be gone.

(I'm one of the people losing patience with Wishing. Can you tell?)

greenwaterbottle · 28/08/2019 16:35

Op has definitely followed advice, told cf and mf. Tbh they're all hard faced and aren't listening. Op will get there

Drum2018 · 28/08/2019 16:38

I can't articulate why but I'm way more annoyed at our mutual friends than I am at houseguest friend

Well congratulations to CF sponger friend. She has now managed to cause upset between you and your other friends and she still comes out smelling like roses because none of you have the guts to tell her to piss right off. Your annoyance with your mutual friends is misguided. They are well within their rights to refuse to have CF sponger friend stay at their house. While they should just have the balls to say a straight out no, they are coming up with stupid excuses, just as you are, not to have her stay. You all need to cop on and see that's this bitch is playing you all for fools. She's swanning around, not making any effort to move out, and here the rest of you are arguing about it over the phone. You do realise that Friday will come round and CF sponger friend won't have organised alternative accommodation. She's either very thick skinned or just very thick - I imagine it's the former but she'd rather have you believe it's the latter so that you'll all feel sorry for her Hmm

Tonnerre · 28/08/2019 16:42

Sounds like DF has been whinging to MF either to manipulate her, or to try get her to manipulate you. I must say, MF needs to explain why her husband can't do without his home office for a couple more weeks, particularly given that (presumably) he has struggled along without up till now.

Mxyzptlk · 28/08/2019 16:43

Tbf to MFs, maybe they are not aware that OP didn't agree to CF staying for 3 weeks.
Maybe they got the impression (from CF) that OP is going back on an arrangement that was made.

Whatever, Wishing, 5 days longer than you originally said - if she even leaves on Friday - and people are actually congratulating you on taking a stand. Shock

MrsDesireeCarthorse · 28/08/2019 16:46

Fuck me. I am praying that your husband explodes at her and yells a ton of home truths in her face about what a selfish using bitch she is, then makes her fuck right off. I am itching to punt her up the arse. Fucking user.

scatteredglitter · 28/08/2019 16:47

Good
Heavens.

Your friends sound like they have some share or right to your property, what the heck business is it of theirs if you have a floor or a whole frisking hotel. Are they paying to mortgage on it?
Let them come and mind your kids and cook for your DF.
Also your DF - unbelievable - you are all running around organising her accommodation,
Bonkers.

It a crazy how you have let people use your house as an open b n b.

MzHz · 28/08/2019 16:51

My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her

From your first post OP.
I will absolutely guarantee that this ^ is about as far from the truth as ou can possibly imagine.

You have actually ASKED something of her - to limit her trip to the weekend - and she has absolutely prioritised only her needs. With every single minute that she has continued her stay past Sunday she is showing you that what YOU need - peace and quiet, a rest, time to yourself or NOT have the hassle of yet another being to be thinking about - is completely at odds with the agenda SHE has.

What is worse, rather than empathise, your other MFs have rounded on you purely because THEY don't want to host her, not even to help you out.

Fuck them. Fuck the CFDF, fuck the CFMFs. they are no friends at all, they are contemptible

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