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For revoking an open invitation to stay?

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 23/08/2019 12:47

I write half hoping to cop a bashing so I am more motivated to do the right thing.

A dear and wonderful friend moved to another town for a work opportunity about 2 years ago. When she moved I gave her a key and told her she was welcome to use our spare bedroom whenever she wanted to come back.

Since then she’s been staying for 1-3 nights at a time about once a month. She’ll usually be back for one specific thing like a medical appointment or an engagement party but have no other plans. She keeps personal belongings in the spare room and stores larger items in our shed so our place serves as her hometown base.

She’s not loud or messy or ungrateful. But- she is underfoot. She is a homebody and mostly stays in, pottering about our living room/kitchen with cups of tea. She tends to come along if we go for brunch, to the park, walking with the children etc. Which is lovely but it eats into family time.

There is all the usual houseguest stuff- more laundry, more pressure to tidy up, an extra clean of the bathroom, the need to make polite chit chat first thing in the morning when I just want to stagger wordlessly towards the kettle. But for a few nights it’s no big problem.

She’s just texted to check that she can stay for 16-20 days straight while she does a professional course next week.

And I reeeeally don’t want to host her for that long.

My reasons (mostly selfish):

  • she’s recently stopped taking anxiety medication and the last time she stayed she spent each evening talking repetitively at length about very small problems that were obviously swirling around in her head. I spent a lot of time listening and being reassuring and supportive. But it was draining. It also took a lot of time away from the other things I normally get done in the evenings (life admin, laundry, catching up on work emails etc). I also find that stress in other people rubs off on me and I felt stressed for days after she left.
  • I’m 8 months pregnant and I. Am. Tired. I am sore. I don’t want more housework, more emotional labour, one more person to think about. When the children are asleep I want to plough through my To-Do list if I have any energy or switch off completely if I don’t.
  • We have easily excited toddlers and having an extra person in the house makes it that much harder to get them to focus and eat dinner, go to bed, stay in bed, all the usual toddler wrangling challenges.
  • DH and I are currently in marriage counselling and so valuing our privacy more than usual. Being alone once the children go to sleep gives us space to talk things through if we need to, but otherwise enjoy some downtime together. The next few weeks feel really important for this given we’re about to be back on the newborn/sleep deprivation train soon.
  • Our house has just the one living space which is open plan with the kitchen. A toddler sleeps in our bedroom. There’s nowhere to escape to.

My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her. She hasn’t done anything wrong. When she moved I told her she would be welcome so suddenly saying no feels unfair. She knows we have the empty bedroom, so there’s no reason not to have her apart from simply not wanting to.

But I am running on empty and it feels (irrationally) like this one quiet houseguest will break me.

AIBU to say no this time? If not, how can I do it in a way that doesn’t hurt her feelings?

If I am BU, then please give me tips on managing houseguests with minimal effort. Sad

OP posts:
Netty909 · 28/08/2019 09:13

Sorry you are in this dilemma when you’re so late in your pregnancy. It reminds me a bit of Father Stone in Father Ted , though a much less extreme version! I think I would let her stay until Friday but she must go home after the course. She can then return on Sunday for the next week of the course (if you are willing to have her) or go to the mutual friends for that week. She can take her stuff with her at the weekend. It will inconvenience her but that is not your problem. She won’t do it again. She can still do her course, which is the main thing. You need family time to prepare your children for the new baby. I totally understand why you don’t want to be too hard as if you are not normally like that the guilt can feel worse than the annoyance. Wishing you the best with your new baby.

Lulualla · 28/08/2019 09:14

Why are women so often under the impression that they must be kind and accommodating to the detriment of themselves, their families and their homes. Sometiems even their finances.
We really need to, as a sex, stop the whole "you must always be kind" bullshit. Because you're not being kind. You're being a complete pushover. I'm kind to people. I'm not a complete wet blanket though.

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 28/08/2019 09:26

I'm not sure how many days she needs to attend the course. I know there is a gap at some point and then an assessment at the end which she needs to be in town for.

I won't be asking her about it, I don't want to hear the saga of how hard it all is again because I'll know feel pressured into helping her and end up just letting her stay.

Mutual friend called me again saying she's worried that DF is feeling unwelcome and struggling to focus on her course because her accomodation is 'up in the air'. And I said 'if you would like to offer her accomodation for the remainder of her visit, then great.' She gave me the same nonsense about DH wanting the office to himself. I said 'frankly, MF, you seem very concerned about inconvenience befalling literally anyone except me and I am starting to resent it.'

She responded 'oh no no. Not that at all. It's just you have that whole floor that's unused and why have it at all unless friends can stay, you e already changed the sheets...'

I said I wasn't getting into it with her. I said would have DF until Friday, but only if MF and other MF then take her for a week each. Then they can tell me how easy and lovely it is to host someone at length.

She tried to argue that moving around is too disruptive to DF who is already stressed. I said it's that or a hotel. I'm not doing the three weeks. She then said she'd talk to her DH and MF2.

I also spoke to DF on my way out the door this morning and told her that this was what we've come up with and to let us all know if it suits her or if she'd rather find a B&B.

OP posts:
sonjadog · 28/08/2019 09:26

At the very least, I hope this has giving you some food for thought about the dynamics of your friendships. It would appear that your friends consider you the doormat that does all the work they don't want to do themselves.

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 28/08/2019 09:27

@Netty909 haha I have a father ted box set. Perhaps ill pop that episode on tonight and see if she takes the hint!!

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sonjadog · 28/08/2019 09:27

Cross-posted. it sounds like you are sticking up for yourself now. Good work!

ImGenderfree · 28/08/2019 09:32

Your mutual ‘friend’ has some gall. Seems to just see you as a free Air BnB.

ImGenderfree · 28/08/2019 09:34

Everyone seems to accommodate and make allowances for the lodger but not consider the impact on anyone else.

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 28/08/2019 09:40

@Mxyzptlk I am way more annoyed about this than DH. He's an easy going guy. He's mostly annoyed on my behalf about this.

He's offered to just pay for a B&B to get her out of my hair but I said no

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EdtheBear · 28/08/2019 09:40

Op that's a very good and clear response to MF. It also shows that you are being clear to DF that she is over staying her welcome.

I think you are handling it very well and hopefully without ruining friendships. It's easy to say drop these friends but it's not easy to make good friends.

northernlites · 28/08/2019 09:43

Great response to MF and DF
Putting the balls firmly in their courts
Not only will you have more space at home when this is sorted but more mind space
Well done OP

prettybird · 28/08/2019 09:43

Good for you for being assertive with both DF and MF wishing Flowers Sounds like you made your point(s) clearly and reasonably Smile

LazyLizzy · 28/08/2019 09:45

I also spoke to DF on my way out the door this morning and told her that this was what we've come up with and to let us all know if it suits her or if she'd rather find a B&B.

Well done OP. You need to be as stress free as possible.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 28/08/2019 09:45

WishingILivedOnAnIsland

That was an excellent, assertive telephone conversation. I hope that you stick to it.

I can't understand why everyone thinks that just because you have a free room, this isn't extra work for you - and you could pop at any minute! I know you've got month to go, but babies come when they are ready, not when we feel they should arrive.

Turn your "Father Ted" episode up REALLY, REALLY LOUD and make sure your cuckoo hears every single word.

I think it's also very cheeky of her that she is running to your other friends complaining that she can't study for worry that you will throw her out. She has

a) invited herself for an extended period without checking

b) overstayed her welcome, which was for the weekend

c) eaten and drank at your expense

d) not offered to help with any increase in washing or housework caused by her visit

e) not even attempted to find other accommodation (unless of course, she is trying to guilt one of the MFs into taking her in)

Stand firm - she may not like this but ALL of them will respect you more for it.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 28/08/2019 09:47

He's offered to just pay for a B&B to get her out of my hair but I said no

Damn right "NO!" Angry

MsTSwift · 28/08/2019 09:51

Oh my dear lord how did you not shriek with outrage that df “might not feel welcome” in your house?! Unbelievable! Good work op. Seems you have all got sucked into the dynamic of shouldering the burden of this lame duck. As you can see outsiders think it’s outrageous! My dh is not nearly as nice as yours this would not happen in our house he would have gone nuclear long ago.

georgialondon · 28/08/2019 09:58

Good for you @WishingILivedOnAnIsland!

CleansUpDragonPoo · 28/08/2019 10:01

This:
SchadenfreudePersonified Wed 28-Aug-19 09:45:54
WishingILivedOnAnIsland

That was an excellent, assertive telephone conversation. I hope that you stick to it.

I can't understand why everyone thinks that just because you have a free room, this isn't extra work for you - and you could pop at any minute! I know you've got month to go, but babies come when they are ready, not when we feel they should arrive.

Turn your "Father Ted" episode up REALLY, REALLY LOUD and make sure your cuckoo hears every single word.

I think it's also very cheeky of her that she is running to your other friends complaining that she can't study for worry that you will throw her out. She has

a) invited herself for an extended period without checking

b) overstayed her welcome, which was for the weekend

c) eaten and drank at your expense

d) not offered to help with any increase in washing or housework caused by her visit

e) not even attempted to find other accommodation (unless of course, she is trying to guilt one of the MFs into taking her in)

Stand firm - she may not like this but ALL of them will respect you more for it.

Really, she' and mutual 'friend' are taking the 'pea'. Enough is enough! Good luck getting your house back, you could always change the lock..

Frownette · 28/08/2019 10:02

Do MF and MF1 actually have children?

CuriousMama · 28/08/2019 10:04

Thank goodness you're beginning to get angry. They're all taking the piss.

Bookworm4 · 28/08/2019 10:04

Jesus wept! How thick skinned is this CF?
Why are you and your friends trying to organise her as if she’s one of your children? It’s none of your jobs to arrange her accommodation! What age is this chancer?
By this point Id not be caring about friendship and be telling her to get out or her crap will be on the doorstep!
God I’m raging for you!

CoolLikeOvie · 28/08/2019 10:09

Well done OP. I am also a people pleaser, and reallllly struggle with thick skinned CFs people. You're doing great. Here's hoping to a peaceful weekend for you and your family only!

CleansUpDragonPoo · 28/08/2019 10:13

Snowfalling Tue 27-Aug-19 20:11:11
'I think we all need to back off and let the OP deal with things as she and dh see fit.

She is heavily pregnant, and the pressure piled on here is immense. It must be as bad for her and her unborn baby as the unwelcome houseguest, if not worse. If I was the op, the constant egging on by complete strangers would make me extremely anxious. She is not only dealing with the stress at home of her df overstaying and her dh hating it, she is also having to feel bad for not listening to advice on here, people telling her she is a wet blanket and they are embarrassed for her, people telling her how ANGRY and frustrated they feel etc. It's almost crossing a line into cyber bullying.'

But OP asked for advice, and most of it is sensible. I think people who are coming on a bit strong is because they feel so indignant on her behalf. A C-section in less than a month, toddlers, DH and counselling to deal with then a friend clearly taking advantage is all a bit much. Sometimes you get so involved in a situation you can't think straight, and that's when anonymous advice like this forum can be so useful, just to hear other points of view.

Teaandcrisps · 28/08/2019 10:13

Wow your friends with the not spare rooms really aren't friends at all.
Good for you for keeping firm tho.
So onto matters of great importance- can we have a new diagram of how you will be using your terrific spaces now that you will no longer be having houseguests for the foreseeable.

CleansUpDragonPoo · 28/08/2019 10:16

Wishing, you say 'My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her.' Have you ever let her know you needed her? It seems to me you need her now - to be understanding and leave!!

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