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For revoking an open invitation to stay?

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 23/08/2019 12:47

I write half hoping to cop a bashing so I am more motivated to do the right thing.

A dear and wonderful friend moved to another town for a work opportunity about 2 years ago. When she moved I gave her a key and told her she was welcome to use our spare bedroom whenever she wanted to come back.

Since then she’s been staying for 1-3 nights at a time about once a month. She’ll usually be back for one specific thing like a medical appointment or an engagement party but have no other plans. She keeps personal belongings in the spare room and stores larger items in our shed so our place serves as her hometown base.

She’s not loud or messy or ungrateful. But- she is underfoot. She is a homebody and mostly stays in, pottering about our living room/kitchen with cups of tea. She tends to come along if we go for brunch, to the park, walking with the children etc. Which is lovely but it eats into family time.

There is all the usual houseguest stuff- more laundry, more pressure to tidy up, an extra clean of the bathroom, the need to make polite chit chat first thing in the morning when I just want to stagger wordlessly towards the kettle. But for a few nights it’s no big problem.

She’s just texted to check that she can stay for 16-20 days straight while she does a professional course next week.

And I reeeeally don’t want to host her for that long.

My reasons (mostly selfish):

  • she’s recently stopped taking anxiety medication and the last time she stayed she spent each evening talking repetitively at length about very small problems that were obviously swirling around in her head. I spent a lot of time listening and being reassuring and supportive. But it was draining. It also took a lot of time away from the other things I normally get done in the evenings (life admin, laundry, catching up on work emails etc). I also find that stress in other people rubs off on me and I felt stressed for days after she left.
  • I’m 8 months pregnant and I. Am. Tired. I am sore. I don’t want more housework, more emotional labour, one more person to think about. When the children are asleep I want to plough through my To-Do list if I have any energy or switch off completely if I don’t.
  • We have easily excited toddlers and having an extra person in the house makes it that much harder to get them to focus and eat dinner, go to bed, stay in bed, all the usual toddler wrangling challenges.
  • DH and I are currently in marriage counselling and so valuing our privacy more than usual. Being alone once the children go to sleep gives us space to talk things through if we need to, but otherwise enjoy some downtime together. The next few weeks feel really important for this given we’re about to be back on the newborn/sleep deprivation train soon.
  • Our house has just the one living space which is open plan with the kitchen. A toddler sleeps in our bedroom. There’s nowhere to escape to.

My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her. She hasn’t done anything wrong. When she moved I told her she would be welcome so suddenly saying no feels unfair. She knows we have the empty bedroom, so there’s no reason not to have her apart from simply not wanting to.

But I am running on empty and it feels (irrationally) like this one quiet houseguest will break me.

AIBU to say no this time? If not, how can I do it in a way that doesn’t hurt her feelings?

If I am BU, then please give me tips on managing houseguests with minimal effort. Sad

OP posts:
obligations · 27/08/2019 23:24

wineandroses 'sorry to pile in' Hmm and everyone else - give OP a break. Stop being so negative to her. She knows she wants her friend to leave, and is trying to make that happen. Just be nice and supportive, you're just adding more stress to the situation.

wineandroses1 · 27/08/2019 23:36

obligations you’re right, sorry Op. Not helpful.

scubadive · 28/08/2019 00:36

Does your friend know you are having marriage counselling. Just tell her you are and you really need some time alone the 2 of you to work things through before the baby comes.

After the baby comes rework the bedrooms pronto so you don’t have a spare one anymore.

EdtheBear · 28/08/2019 00:56

Op needs to rework bedrooms NOW. 4 people in one room is nuts. She needs the toddler out her room before the baby arrives.
It's going to be really tough to do it but the thought of a new born waking the toddler multiple times per night is not good.

Derbee · 28/08/2019 01:06

On a positive note OP, you obviously have a very patient and kind husband. If I were him I’d have told your friend to fuck off by now.

“Look CF, my wife won’t say anything because she’s too kind and she doesn’t want to hurt your feelings. But she is very pregnant, and we have a lot on our plates at the moment. You asked for 20 days, she offered you a weekend. It’s Wednesday and you’re still here. You need to leave, before your friendship with my wife becomes damaged by putting too much stress on her. Go to a hotel tonight, and make a plan for what you’d like to do for the remainder of your course. This has gone on quite long enough, and I don’t want you here anymore”

Gennz18 · 28/08/2019 02:46

@WishingILivedOnAnIsland it strikes me that while you are agonising over your friend’s feelings she’s not remotely concerned about yours. I have a friend like this - I always felt a bit guilty because she was a bit depressive, hadn’t ever met anyone etc. She was my best friend from age 5, we flatted together at uni and in our 20s. It took me a long time to realise that her behaviour wasn’t the behaviour of a good friend and it wasn’t my job to be the adult in our relationship.

Can you imagine ever presuming on a friendship the way this friend has on yours? If a friend said to me “look I’m sorry you can’t stay, I’m exhausted from this pregnancy and and really need some space” I would (a) mortified and (b) out that door like a shot only pausing to write an effusive thank you card for all your kindness!

Anyway I really feel for you. The only silver lining if you can’t dislodge her this time is that it really does salve your conscience to boot her out permanently and get the key back. Hopefully she leaves sooner though —and still gives the key back and fucks off permanently—

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 28/08/2019 06:37

Posters suggesting that I am harming my unborn baby Confused need to regain a bit of perspective. We’re talking about a tedious houseguest, not Thalidomide..

That said, most people have given me helpful advice and support on this thread and I’m really grateful.

I think I said this earlier, but she really isn’t a problem in my marriage. You’ll just have to take my word for it. Houseguests in general haven’t been a problem for DH and I because they keep to their own floor of the house and we barely see them. This houseguest is only a problem because she's usually under our feet.

OP posts:
ShellbyBell · 28/08/2019 06:50

Just finished reading the full thread. Hope you’re ok @WishingILivedOnAnIsland. Hopefully you’re time will come soon for some peace and tranquillity for your final days of pregnancy. If anything good comes from this is that your eyes are wide open to the behaviour of your friends and it really is ok to put yourself and family first. BrewFlowersCake

ShellbyBell · 28/08/2019 06:51

your time x

EdtheBear · 28/08/2019 06:56

I think people who are suggesting it is harmful are really trying to find an excuse for DH to move her on.

How is DH with her being there?
When does the course finish?

elessar · 28/08/2019 07:31

@WishingILivedOnAnIsland I think you're getting an unfairly hard time on here.

Yes in a black and white situation, from the outside, it's very very easy to say 'just tell your friend to get out, tell your other friends to fuck off, they're all total users' - the reality of that situation is not so easy.

Firstly you're having unfair pressure applied to you by your other friends, and your friend who is staying is burying her head in the sand and choosing to believe that your rules about house guests don't apply to her current stay because she's finding it difficult to get any other option. Therefore she's keeping her head down.

Yes she is absolutely bloody cheeky and I would be mortified in her position. But she's got herself into a pickle - she can't find other friends to stay with and she can't afford a hotel. And no, that's not at all your problem but it's easier to say separate yourself and chuck her out, than to actually do it to someone you've been close to for many years.

All of that said I do think you need to speak to her directly and put your foot down nicely. I would say tonight (or tomorrow) is the last night you can have her stay, and remind her that you'd told her before she came that you could only host her until Sunday for all the reasons you've mentioned.

And I would message your other friends and say firmly that it just isn't possible for her to stay with you any longer, and that you feel upset that they are putting pressure on you to solve this problem when they aren't willing to put her up themselves.

elessar · 28/08/2019 07:32

And yes, if needs be can your DH be the one to relay this message if you don't feel that you can?

EdtheBear · 28/08/2019 07:37

I actually think the easiest solution (path of least resistance) is to let her stay until Saturday assuming the couse ends Friday. Then help her transport all her stuff back to her own place. And have a good look at the shed and try to clear that too.

EdtheBear · 28/08/2019 07:39

But get somebody arranged to collect the bed even if it means her moving on to the sofa bed so you can get stuff moved.

GoFiguire · 28/08/2019 07:59

Change the locks.

PepsiMaxCherry · 28/08/2019 08:14

Op can u arrange for British Heart Foundation to come and take the bed, im guessing you live in the UK. They will take it providing it isnt damaged not sure abt the mattress though

CallmeAngelina · 28/08/2019 08:14

EdtheBear, RTFT. The course is three weeks long and the friend wants to stay the entire time (weekends also).

georgialondon · 28/08/2019 08:24

British heart foundation are rubbish at collecting stuff. They take weeks to get back to you. I wouldn't rely on them!

EdtheBear · 28/08/2019 08:32

Eh I think you'll find I've been reading since the beginning I'm sure the course was 5 days, but thr 16- 20 days came from tacking weekends and holiday on!

rookiemere · 28/08/2019 08:37

The collection of the bed is about the symptoms not the cause.

OP whatever happens - even if friend ends up staying for entire course - don't feel bad or embarrassed. You have been a lovely generous person and you've now left friend in no doubt about future visits when life will be hectic with the new arrival.

Do what you need to at this point to make life easiest for yourself- and that includes just being in your room a lot sleeping if you need to - as that way you're not having to interact with friend.

prettybird · 28/08/2019 08:43

Hope the rest of your pregnancy goes well Wishing Flowers and that you get the chance to put your feet up Flowers

Good luck with re-jigging the configuration of your house and I hope you and your dh get things resolved. Flowers

Motoko · 28/08/2019 08:50

I'm sure the course was 5 days, but thr 16- 20 days came from tacking weekends and holiday on!

Eh? How on earth would it add up to 16-20 days?
When there are 4 days this week alone, how can the course be 5 days? It just doesn't add up.

Mxyzptlk · 28/08/2019 08:53

Does your DH even know that you don't want CF to stay for 3 weeks?
Or is he quietly finding it grating while you talk to us about it?

Look how concerned MNers are being, on your behalf, and wanting to come round & chuck CF out.

If DH is aware of the whole situation, why isn't he doing anything?

Btw - she can't afford a hotel - have a look at booking.com. There are some very good prices on there, especially for hostels.

But if pussyfooting is your thing - do carry on with that.

MsTSwift · 28/08/2019 08:54

Wondering if the behaviour of the friend is an outcome of the helicopter parenting approach some take - adults left with a weird entitlement that others are there to meet their needs and look after them...

Lockshunkugel · 28/08/2019 08:56

Wishing, I know you’ve said that your friend isn’t the problem in your marriage, but the fact that you want privacy to talk to your DH and she hasn’t left yet, means that she is making existing problems worse. It means she is adding to your marriage difficulties. If she stays for the whole course and you can’t sort your marriage out, does it mean you might separate once the baby is here? Obviously only you know how bad the situation is but your relationship sounds like it needs to be your priority right now above friends or houseguests.

I’m sorry that she hasn’t left yet and I know how hard it can be to say no to people when you are used to being kind and accommodating to everyone. I used to be like you until my raging menopause hormones appeared Smile

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