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For revoking an open invitation to stay?

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 23/08/2019 12:47

I write half hoping to cop a bashing so I am more motivated to do the right thing.

A dear and wonderful friend moved to another town for a work opportunity about 2 years ago. When she moved I gave her a key and told her she was welcome to use our spare bedroom whenever she wanted to come back.

Since then she’s been staying for 1-3 nights at a time about once a month. She’ll usually be back for one specific thing like a medical appointment or an engagement party but have no other plans. She keeps personal belongings in the spare room and stores larger items in our shed so our place serves as her hometown base.

She’s not loud or messy or ungrateful. But- she is underfoot. She is a homebody and mostly stays in, pottering about our living room/kitchen with cups of tea. She tends to come along if we go for brunch, to the park, walking with the children etc. Which is lovely but it eats into family time.

There is all the usual houseguest stuff- more laundry, more pressure to tidy up, an extra clean of the bathroom, the need to make polite chit chat first thing in the morning when I just want to stagger wordlessly towards the kettle. But for a few nights it’s no big problem.

She’s just texted to check that she can stay for 16-20 days straight while she does a professional course next week.

And I reeeeally don’t want to host her for that long.

My reasons (mostly selfish):

  • she’s recently stopped taking anxiety medication and the last time she stayed she spent each evening talking repetitively at length about very small problems that were obviously swirling around in her head. I spent a lot of time listening and being reassuring and supportive. But it was draining. It also took a lot of time away from the other things I normally get done in the evenings (life admin, laundry, catching up on work emails etc). I also find that stress in other people rubs off on me and I felt stressed for days after she left.
  • I’m 8 months pregnant and I. Am. Tired. I am sore. I don’t want more housework, more emotional labour, one more person to think about. When the children are asleep I want to plough through my To-Do list if I have any energy or switch off completely if I don’t.
  • We have easily excited toddlers and having an extra person in the house makes it that much harder to get them to focus and eat dinner, go to bed, stay in bed, all the usual toddler wrangling challenges.
  • DH and I are currently in marriage counselling and so valuing our privacy more than usual. Being alone once the children go to sleep gives us space to talk things through if we need to, but otherwise enjoy some downtime together. The next few weeks feel really important for this given we’re about to be back on the newborn/sleep deprivation train soon.
  • Our house has just the one living space which is open plan with the kitchen. A toddler sleeps in our bedroom. There’s nowhere to escape to.

My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her. She hasn’t done anything wrong. When she moved I told her she would be welcome so suddenly saying no feels unfair. She knows we have the empty bedroom, so there’s no reason not to have her apart from simply not wanting to.

But I am running on empty and it feels (irrationally) like this one quiet houseguest will break me.

AIBU to say no this time? If not, how can I do it in a way that doesn’t hurt her feelings?

If I am BU, then please give me tips on managing houseguests with minimal effort. Sad

OP posts:
WhatchaMaCalllit · 27/08/2019 14:39

@CallMeAngelina - Posters back on the first page of this thread guessed that once the Actual Friend rocked up for the weekend, it would be nigh and impossible to shift her until the course was over. This was suggested to @WishingILivedOnAnIsland but she wouldn't hear of it, probably because she didn't want to think that Actual Friend would be so thick-skinned as to overstay her already wearing thin welcome.
Unfortunately, it appears that the situation is exactly as others had suggested.

Bookworm4 · 27/08/2019 14:42

Having read updates regards your other friends it’s clear the issue isn’t you, it’s CCF friend that seems to haunt you all. I’ll assume she’s maybe 30ish but is acting like a moody teenager expecting everyone to put her up, listen to her woe is me..sounds like she’s bored everyone to death. I doubt anyone forced her to move, time she makes choices to improve her situation instead of taking advantage of other people, she sounds dreadful and very ignorant of her rudeness.

Tonnerre · 27/08/2019 14:44

Don't send Clutterbugs' text, because it puts matters in terms of OP needing something from the mutual friends. She needs absolutely nothing from them (apart from maybe them stopping deciding who she has to stay in her house): it's the friend who's staying who presumably needs something. It really needs no more than a conversation with staying friend reminding her that you needed her to be gone by last Sunday and, maybe, offering to help her pack.

WildfirePonie · 27/08/2019 14:53

Keep the bed and start setting up the room for the toddler/s whilst she is at the course. I assume it's a single bed? Tell her, you need the kids out of your room and in their own room for when baby arrives and therefore she can no longer stay. Tonight is the last night she can stay. Let her worry where she'll stay, you've got enough on your plate already.

FilthyforFirth · 27/08/2019 14:53

Dear god, get new friends ASAP. You are 8 months pregnant, you shouldnt be hosting anyone!

Insist she leaves today, I am so cross on your behalf!

SavingSpaces2019 · 27/08/2019 14:58

I've never thought about it until this thread, but PPs are right- our whole friendship group does tend to infantilise her. It's quite strange and now it's been pointed out to me I'm amazing it's never struck me before

That's cos people like your 'friend' are very skilled at manipulating people.
It's obviously an inherent part of her personality - getting others to feel responsible for her and then milking them for all they're worth.

She seemed to take all that in and was very understanding but yet she’s still here
Yep - she's deliberately ignoring what you're saying.
She's the type who takes 'thick skin' to the extremes - and will force you into being her doormat.

It's working.....

YoTheGinPussyOfStMawesOnThigh · 27/08/2019 14:58

You shouldn’t have to do this but have you or preferably your DH considered packing your DF’s things she needs for the course. Then, either driving them to the venue and dumping them in reception with a message to sort herself out. Or taking her things to the mutual friend with the working from home (I wonder if he is really) DH. Knock on the door, indicate DF’s bags on the doorstep and say firmly CF is now staying with them. Send DF a text saying where her things are and by the way give us our keys back.

TimeIhadaNameChange · 27/08/2019 14:59

This is getting ridiculous!

As a fellow pregnant female I think you have to resort to your hormones and have a major crying fit. She needs to pack her bags and got to one of the mutual bitches' homes tonight. You need your space back. Take the bed to the dump if you have to, you need someone else to step up and help.

MsTSwift · 27/08/2019 15:02

You need to have what is known in our family as a flob out. Cry and say you can’t take her being a house guest anymore she needs to leave this evening then shut yourself in a room with your dc while she vacates.

HeffaLump1 · 27/08/2019 15:07

Sorry, it's probably been asked...but why you isn't her work paying for her accommodation if she is on a work thing? She shouldn't be paying surely?

Beautiful3 · 27/08/2019 15:09

Oh my goodness. I have been following this from the very beginning. I feel so embarrassed for you. You have to do what the other friends have done, tell her tonight's her last night. She has to go by tomorrow morning. Pay a man with a van twenty quid to take the bed and mattress to the tip. You
Can find them on the community face book page. Do it now. Reclaim your life. How dare friends disrespect you , when you've been nothing but kind. Looking forward to an update soon.

Mxyzptlk · 27/08/2019 15:13

She seemed to take all that in and was very understanding but yet she’s still here.

She's taken it that there are to be no other houseguests, apart from her, and that she is the exception since you told her not everyone is as nice a guest as her.

She's choosing to think this doesn't apply to her.

You have to tell her when you want her to leave - "Tonight has to be your last night" would be a good line.

Get DH to tell her, if you can't.

MzHz · 27/08/2019 15:14

I thought @Clutterbugsmum text was good, @NoSquirrels though was polite and to the point, but I’m so angry about this clear cf friend - she KNOWS she’s supposed to have left 2 days ago, AND you’ve even had a conversation about it but she is STILL there!!

So I’m veering towards @greenwaterbottle texts.

As a starting point.....

My love, please get someone to help you sort this out.

Will DH step in?

FloatingObject · 27/08/2019 15:14

God this is all so uncomfortable and awkward. I'm sorry you have to deal with this OP!

StarShapedWindow · 27/08/2019 15:16

Could you ask her ‘how long are you planning to stay?’ If she says longer than you hoped you could say ‘I’m so sorry but I need some time to get ready for the new baby’, - which is true! It’s such a shame where you do something kind and people take advantage - I think people rely on the awkwardness of the situation to get their own way.

cheesydoesit · 27/08/2019 15:18

Tell her it's Tuesday. You said she could stay the weekend. Get angry! All three of your friends are taking advantage of your kind nature. They've shown they don't deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt. CF friend knows what she is doing.

Is she at her course now? Due to be back at 4/5? If I were you I would bag her stuff at the door ready for her but I can see that would be hard so why don't you (and DH to give you support) tell her tonight is her last night, she has had lots of warning. She knew it was weekend only. She cannot say she didn't know in advance.

Mxyzptlk · 27/08/2019 15:19

It's up to CF to negotiate with the other friends, not you.

You didn't lead her to believe she could stay the whole time. You told her it would be 1 weekend only, and it's well past that now.

She's made this mess herself by taking you for granted and being a CF.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/08/2019 15:21

The reason (I'm guessing) they are pressuring me is that if she really can't stay with me then they will feel obligated

Well yes, but in the nicest possible way the real difference is that they're prepared to say no and you're not. No doubt DF did appear to "take in" your comment about having no more house guests, but that's after she's gone so doesn't affect her. TBH I'm not sure where the "not all our houseguests are as considerate" comment came from either, since a considerate person would never have imposed herself like this on a heavily pregnant lady in the first place

The bottom line is that you're being used and that folk can treat us as mugs only as long as we allow them to. Whatever the pretence of "sorting out something else", DF will be there until you insist she goes, and when that will be can only be your own choice

Mxyzptlk · 27/08/2019 15:21

Could you ask her ‘how long are you planning to stay?’

Don't ask that! It's not up to her.
Get her told.

InvisibleWomenMustBeRead · 27/08/2019 15:22

Oh Op, your friends sound totally shit. They don't want to put her up now as they're worried that their house will become her regular 'go to' and neither are willing for that to happen.

TBH, I don't actually blame them for that. It doesn't help you right now and is shit of them to leave you to it rather than step up but really it's for the guest friend to sort for herself and not for you and the other 2 friends to sort her life for her.

You need to be honest with your guest and tell her that she needs to go - you'd agreed for the weekend and that's passed now and whilst you're sorry that she's struggled to find alternative accommodation, that's for her to sort as you've stuck to your end of the arrangement. Ask her for your key back too.

Good Iuck!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 27/08/2019 15:29

This is why we need the MN Hit Squad - a crack team of Mumsnetters who travel the country being stern on behalf of MNers who have found themselves in a difficult situation like the OP’s. It is much easier taking no crap when you don’t have any emotional investment in the relationships, so the Hit Squad would be able to tell the Overstaying Friend bluntly ”Sorry, you just can’t stay any more. @WishingILivedOnAnIsland and her family need their house back, and you need to pack your stuff up and find somewhere else to stay tonight!”

We could tell colleagues to stop eating smelly food at their desks, teenagers that the world doesn’t revolve around them, lazy partners that they will not die on the spot if they do some housework interfering ILs to wind their necks in and cheeky fuckers that they are cheeky fuckers and must stop taking the piss.

CurtainsAndCords · 27/08/2019 15:31

When I've had people ask favours of me that I don't want to give I've found the following helpful:

"Honestly friend I don't want to fall out, but please don't ask this of me. It's not fair. You're putting me in a situation that's not comfortable. In order to maintain our friendship I need you to leave"

CurtainsAndCords · 27/08/2019 15:31

Actually my example was to do with childcare, but it worked.

Tonnerre · 27/08/2019 15:33

Totally loving the idea of the MN Hit Squad. Can I volunteer?

That's assuming a part of their duty will be to lie in wait for CF parking idiots and tell them in no uncertain terms what will happen if they're ever caught parking stupidly/inconsiderately/illegally again?

ZeldaPrincessOfHyrule · 27/08/2019 15:37

Can I volunteer for and maybe make use of the Hit Squad too?

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