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For revoking an open invitation to stay?

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 23/08/2019 12:47

I write half hoping to cop a bashing so I am more motivated to do the right thing.

A dear and wonderful friend moved to another town for a work opportunity about 2 years ago. When she moved I gave her a key and told her she was welcome to use our spare bedroom whenever she wanted to come back.

Since then she’s been staying for 1-3 nights at a time about once a month. She’ll usually be back for one specific thing like a medical appointment or an engagement party but have no other plans. She keeps personal belongings in the spare room and stores larger items in our shed so our place serves as her hometown base.

She’s not loud or messy or ungrateful. But- she is underfoot. She is a homebody and mostly stays in, pottering about our living room/kitchen with cups of tea. She tends to come along if we go for brunch, to the park, walking with the children etc. Which is lovely but it eats into family time.

There is all the usual houseguest stuff- more laundry, more pressure to tidy up, an extra clean of the bathroom, the need to make polite chit chat first thing in the morning when I just want to stagger wordlessly towards the kettle. But for a few nights it’s no big problem.

She’s just texted to check that she can stay for 16-20 days straight while she does a professional course next week.

And I reeeeally don’t want to host her for that long.

My reasons (mostly selfish):

  • she’s recently stopped taking anxiety medication and the last time she stayed she spent each evening talking repetitively at length about very small problems that were obviously swirling around in her head. I spent a lot of time listening and being reassuring and supportive. But it was draining. It also took a lot of time away from the other things I normally get done in the evenings (life admin, laundry, catching up on work emails etc). I also find that stress in other people rubs off on me and I felt stressed for days after she left.
  • I’m 8 months pregnant and I. Am. Tired. I am sore. I don’t want more housework, more emotional labour, one more person to think about. When the children are asleep I want to plough through my To-Do list if I have any energy or switch off completely if I don’t.
  • We have easily excited toddlers and having an extra person in the house makes it that much harder to get them to focus and eat dinner, go to bed, stay in bed, all the usual toddler wrangling challenges.
  • DH and I are currently in marriage counselling and so valuing our privacy more than usual. Being alone once the children go to sleep gives us space to talk things through if we need to, but otherwise enjoy some downtime together. The next few weeks feel really important for this given we’re about to be back on the newborn/sleep deprivation train soon.
  • Our house has just the one living space which is open plan with the kitchen. A toddler sleeps in our bedroom. There’s nowhere to escape to.

My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her. She hasn’t done anything wrong. When she moved I told her she would be welcome so suddenly saying no feels unfair. She knows we have the empty bedroom, so there’s no reason not to have her apart from simply not wanting to.

But I am running on empty and it feels (irrationally) like this one quiet houseguest will break me.

AIBU to say no this time? If not, how can I do it in a way that doesn’t hurt her feelings?

If I am BU, then please give me tips on managing houseguests with minimal effort. Sad

OP posts:
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 27/08/2019 13:07

It does strike me as odd that a grown woman has all her friends organising her.

Worst scene scenario - she has to go home and redo the course at a later date. "My accommodation fell through" is a valid reason to get flexibility on the commitment to the course, I reckon.

It's not your problem. You have enough to be figuring out - like how to move bedrooms when you're about to have a baby.

Aderyn19 · 27/08/2019 13:08

Your other friends are cheeky fuckers! Am glad you are going to pull back a bit. Your home is not a free hotel!

LazyLizzy · 27/08/2019 13:10

Sadly 'nice friend' is becoming a cheeky fucker.

Either that or she is as thick as mince.

I'd be mortified after that conversation and get out of your hair straight away.

Aderyn19 · 27/08/2019 13:11

I think you are going to have to give her a deadline. Some people are deliberately obtuse

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 27/08/2019 13:11

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria I've never thought about it until this thread, but PPs are right- our whole friendship group does tend to infantilise her. It's quite strange and now it's been pointed out to me I'm amazing it's never struck me before.

OP posts:
WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 27/08/2019 13:12

*amazed. Not amazing.

Need Brew

OP posts:
ZeldaPrincessOfHyrule · 27/08/2019 13:15

This is insane. She's banking on you not putting your foot down, on you valuing her friendship more than the massive inconvenience to you. I can not believe a grown woman is imposing on a heavily pregnant friend like this. I'm angry for you, and I wish someone would just tell her to sling her hook.

I know you're trying to avoid losing her, and having a confrontation, but she clearly doesn't give a shit about you OP. Her actions speak volumes. She's putting her needs way above yours and causing huge drama among your friends as you all try to solve a problem that is hers. Air bnb or a travelodge would solve her problem in two seconds if she cared at all about you.

EdtheBear · 27/08/2019 13:17

Op just thinking about your house.

Your middle floor could easily become a kids floor, even if it means 2 kids sharing your existing room. So the office could stay put.

The top floor, turn one room into your bedroom and the other into a Snug for the two of you. 3 young kids your going to need an Adult chill out some!

Maybe that's something for the future but it could have an appeal!

MagneticSingularity · 27/08/2019 13:18

Why are all you people doing so much to pander to this grown woman’s needs and accommodation? What do you owe her? Nothing as far as I can see. She provides her presence and you all provide the space for her to fill whenever she feels like it and she doesn’t even help out with housework, childcare or expenses. How the fuck has it come to this? You don’t want her as a guest in your house, they don’t want her as a guest in their houses - she must be aware all this back and forthing is going on and therefore must have the hide of a rhino to not be bloody embarrassed. How does she not get it? Sorry OP, the cost of hotel accommodation while she does her course is not your problem, it’s hers. She’s had a good free ride but it’s time to cut the bloody cord and tell her she needs to move on. No excuses about pregnancy or selling beds or not having other guests, you just no longer want her there and that’s reason enough.

Clutterbugsmum · 27/08/2019 13:19

I'd be inclined to send the same text to both friends, saying something along the lines of

That it seems to me that both you seem to not want to host xXx, and as I have stated now several times and which you both know that I am about to give birth, and I do not want anyone staying at our home. You both have used my home and me to host your friends and family when YOU needed it. Well now I need something from you and I see how little our friendship means to the both of you.

I have told xXx that our home is not available from today and she needs to find some where else to stay.

Please do not contact me again about xXx and her living arrangements as I can not help at this time.

To be honest it seems that these 'friends' are more interested in what you can give/do for them then they are in actual friendship with you.

Your home has become the local 'hotel' for their convenience.

NoSquirrels · 27/08/2019 13:20

Oh, OP. Poor, poor you!

2nd mutual friend said ‘1st mutual friend and I have been talking and we really think DF will be more comfortable at your house as you have the spare floor and she’ll be able to study etc etc.’

SO RUDE.

No one gets to decide for you. That's awful of them.

I suspect you are right, because you have been so accommodating in the past people take you for granted and it is not fair.

You are 8 months pregnant. You are under absolutely no obligation to host!!

Your DF can come up with an interim solution. Presuming that the town she lives in is genuinely too far to commute every day, she can either

a) sleep on sofas/spare rooms of other mutual friends
b) pull out of course and try to rearrange it in her own town
c) speak to her work and get them to pay for some accommodation
d) pay for accommodation herself - she is single and it is not your responsibility to budget for her

Flowers
Chunkers · 27/08/2019 13:20

DH and I are currently in marriage counselling and so valuing our privacy more than usual. Being alone once the children go to sleep gives us space to talk things through if we need to, but otherwise enjoy some downtime together. The next few weeks feel really important for this given we’re about to be back on the newborn/sleep deprivation train soon.

Have you forgotten this? If you can’t face her, ask your DH to lay down the law. This is much more important than sparing her feelings.

YouTheCat · 27/08/2019 13:21

I'd contact those 'friends' and tell them you're about to have a baby and you need her out now. Lay the guilt right back on them.

I think you need new friends. And get your key back.

BarbedBloom · 27/08/2019 13:22

It has come to the point where the conversations aren't working. You need to tell her that she has to leave tomorrow and what happens after that is up to her to sort. I refuse to believe she doesn't understand what you are saying, she is just putting her needs above yours.

Do something or she won't leave and ask her to leave her key in the kitchen

BoomBoomsCousin · 27/08/2019 13:23

If you’re finding it difficult, Wishing, could your DH talk to her tonight? Would he maybe relish the opportunity? You’re heading to bed as soon as you put the children down. If I were him I’d probably be itching to sit her down and say something along the lines of “This can’t continue, Wishing doesn’t want to upset you, but I can’t stand by while my dear, 8 month pregnant wife gets treated like this. You were told it was only for the weekend. You’ve seen how tired Wishing is. You need to find yourself different accommodation for tomorrow night. Take your bag with you in the morning. Send Wishing some flowers to say sorry.”

ginyogarepeat · 27/08/2019 13:25

I agree; none of these 'friends' sound anything of the sort! You really need to be firm here OP, with all of them, and put you and your family first. You've done more for DF already than most of us would have!

NoSquirrels · 27/08/2019 13:26

But yes, as to the mutual friends you'll need to message them and be clear.

DFs, thanks for message about X. As I have told her, we just cannot host her this time. I am very pregnant, very tired, and DH and I need the house to ourselves. In fact, as I have also explained to X, we are not going to be hosting anyone for the foreseeable future. It's too much right now. If you can't put X up between you, fair enough - no one is obliged to. But I cannot host her here so she'll need to find a different solution for the course, which she understands.

Proseccoinamug · 27/08/2019 13:28

I’ve changed my mind. LF (Lovely Friend) is now a CF.

You’ve told her just the weekend and she hasn’t left. Your other friends are even worse than she is.

You sound genuinely lovely, I wish I had a friend like you! Don’t feel guilty for setting boundaries. You’ve been kind and generous with your space and time, I’m sorry you’re being taken advantage of.

YouTheCat · 27/08/2019 13:31

Tbh I'd be a total cow over this. You will probably lose the friends because you aren't bowing to what they want anyway.

woodymiller · 27/08/2019 13:31

I'd send Clutterbug's text to the mutual friends. Then I'd pack her stuff up and be waiting for her to come in tonight and give it to her straight, no punches pulled. "I've asked you, explained to you, told you our arrangements need to cease. Your presence is having an adverse effect on my health and therefore my unborn baby's health, the dynamics of my family and my marriage. I need the key back and you need to make alternate arrangements starting NOW"

ZeldaPrincessOfHyrule · 27/08/2019 13:35

Yes. Do what @woodymiller says. Stand in the hallway and hand her her stuff. She. Needs. To. Leave. Even if that means she has to drive home and doesn't do the course. This is in no way your fault, it's past the weekend and she knew that's when she had to go. Do not let her make you feel guilty, that makes her an even worse friend.

envelopeofpubes · 27/08/2019 13:36

TBH at this stage, if you are all as good friends as you have made out here and she genuinely can't afford accommodation, I think I would just grit my teeth and bear it until Friday then she can do one week with DF1 and the last week with DF2. Then you are all equally inconvenienced and she might realise what a PITA she is being. But she would be made to understand that this is literally because she has no other options at this stage. I guarantee you if she has nowhere to stay she simply won't come back to your city in future, she does it because you have made it easy for her.

But that's just me. You'd be completely justified in making her go today.

CJSmith2019 · 27/08/2019 13:39

None of these people are your friends, OP. How convenient for them to decide for you that she can stay. How would they like it if you were to message back with - 'your DH doesn't need to work from home so she can have your spare room and she is on the way right now'.

I don't know what to suggest. She originally supposedly asked if she could stay for the long stretch and you said no, weekend only...

It's a huge imposition especially as you are pregnant and close to term.

Littlemissdaredevil · 27/08/2019 13:40

Can you text your CF friends who could put DF but don’t want to do that you can get your point across without being guilted. Point out to them that there assumption is incorrect that DF will be more comfortable as you no longer have spare room as this is needed on a permanent basis for you and your family.

Howyiz · 27/08/2019 13:41

Send @NoSquirrels message. Straight to the point but polite.
You need to ask the friend staying what her plans are for the rest of her course. I think she is hoping that if she ignores it enough you will either let her stay or will organise somewhere else.
She is an adult. She moved away. If she misses her home town then she can move back.

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