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For revoking an open invitation to stay?

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 23/08/2019 12:47

I write half hoping to cop a bashing so I am more motivated to do the right thing.

A dear and wonderful friend moved to another town for a work opportunity about 2 years ago. When she moved I gave her a key and told her she was welcome to use our spare bedroom whenever she wanted to come back.

Since then she’s been staying for 1-3 nights at a time about once a month. She’ll usually be back for one specific thing like a medical appointment or an engagement party but have no other plans. She keeps personal belongings in the spare room and stores larger items in our shed so our place serves as her hometown base.

She’s not loud or messy or ungrateful. But- she is underfoot. She is a homebody and mostly stays in, pottering about our living room/kitchen with cups of tea. She tends to come along if we go for brunch, to the park, walking with the children etc. Which is lovely but it eats into family time.

There is all the usual houseguest stuff- more laundry, more pressure to tidy up, an extra clean of the bathroom, the need to make polite chit chat first thing in the morning when I just want to stagger wordlessly towards the kettle. But for a few nights it’s no big problem.

She’s just texted to check that she can stay for 16-20 days straight while she does a professional course next week.

And I reeeeally don’t want to host her for that long.

My reasons (mostly selfish):

  • she’s recently stopped taking anxiety medication and the last time she stayed she spent each evening talking repetitively at length about very small problems that were obviously swirling around in her head. I spent a lot of time listening and being reassuring and supportive. But it was draining. It also took a lot of time away from the other things I normally get done in the evenings (life admin, laundry, catching up on work emails etc). I also find that stress in other people rubs off on me and I felt stressed for days after she left.
  • I’m 8 months pregnant and I. Am. Tired. I am sore. I don’t want more housework, more emotional labour, one more person to think about. When the children are asleep I want to plough through my To-Do list if I have any energy or switch off completely if I don’t.
  • We have easily excited toddlers and having an extra person in the house makes it that much harder to get them to focus and eat dinner, go to bed, stay in bed, all the usual toddler wrangling challenges.
  • DH and I are currently in marriage counselling and so valuing our privacy more than usual. Being alone once the children go to sleep gives us space to talk things through if we need to, but otherwise enjoy some downtime together. The next few weeks feel really important for this given we’re about to be back on the newborn/sleep deprivation train soon.
  • Our house has just the one living space which is open plan with the kitchen. A toddler sleeps in our bedroom. There’s nowhere to escape to.

My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her. She hasn’t done anything wrong. When she moved I told her she would be welcome so suddenly saying no feels unfair. She knows we have the empty bedroom, so there’s no reason not to have her apart from simply not wanting to.

But I am running on empty and it feels (irrationally) like this one quiet houseguest will break me.

AIBU to say no this time? If not, how can I do it in a way that doesn’t hurt her feelings?

If I am BU, then please give me tips on managing houseguests with minimal effort. Sad

OP posts:
alittleprivacy · 27/08/2019 11:15

I'd definitely rejig the house. You and the children could be sleeping on the first floor and use the groundfloor bedroom as a livingroom/playroom. With the top floor as the office. If you want, you could stick a futon in there, or buy a blow up mattress, so occasional guests can stay overnight but it never feels like their space, just a spot to sleep in on rare occasion. If none of the first floor rooms accommodate your bedroom furniture, use one of the bedrooms as a dressing room.

CallmeBadJanet · 27/08/2019 11:28

Nope! Not the right time for you and your family. You've been generous enough. Time for self care 😘

Motoko · 27/08/2019 11:41

Never offer stuff free. People who don't have to pay for stuff just don't give a shit.

You forgot to add the word some. I've had plenty of free stuff from Freecycle, and really appreciate it. I've also given away a lot of stuff on there, and the people it went to were also appreciative.

There will always be some who take the piss, but it doesn't mean that everyone is like that.

@WishingILivedOnAnIsland has she gone yet?

Cassandrainthenight · 27/08/2019 11:44

The thing with newborn/C-section, I don't know if it would be the first C-section, but OP said she gave DF the key before because she had a newborn at the time and to go downstairs and open the door would be extra work, so suggested it'd be easier for friend to let herself in.
So friend has been there before with a toddler, a newborn and potentially, C-section, and didn't think much of inflicting herself on the young family.
So all these arguments - recovery after birth, baby, toddlers - might not work well with the friend, she thinks in the past OP was still glad to see her letting herself in, why not now?
In the ideal world OP shouldn't need to go into details, should just be able to say, you are my dear friend but I can't do hosting any more, can we have our key back?
But in reality most people who have gone far beyond required by friendship or hospitality end up feeling the guilty party and come up with a mountain of excuses...

hellsbellsmelons · 27/08/2019 11:45

To be honest @Motoko I have too.
I've given away loads of stuff on my local facebook site.
And everyone has turned up and it's all been fine.
And they have been really grateful.
But you see so often when people give stuff away they people don't turn up etc......
I've read on here you should charge a little something.
I also have a wonderful free dishwasher still working in my kitchen that was a freecycle give away.

Weezol · 27/08/2019 11:54

She's still there isn't she? Please don't put up with this.

EdtheBear · 27/08/2019 12:22

Op doesn't need to lie - 3 very young children is more than adequate reason. Not does Op need to mention marriage issues.

Op my guess is she's still there. Hope you are making good use of her.

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 27/08/2019 12:35

I’ve been too embarrassed to update because she is still here.

First, the gumtree guy didn’t show up so didn’t end up re organising the rooms as the bed is in the way. Also I’ve taken on board what PPs said about it not being about the house and furniture. You’re right, it’s not and I owe her (a kind version of) the truth.

The mutual friend pulled out due to her husband wanting to ‘work from home’ Hmm. She tried to call me again and I let it go to voicemail. Her voicemail message was ‘Hi, can you call me back so we can work out what we’re going to do about DF’s accommodations.’ .... I thought right, ‘we’ is it? I sent her a text saying that I hope she and DF figure out a solution, but I’m not able to help at the moment.

I’ve since had another mutual friend call me. DF asked her if she could stay there on their pull out. 2nd mutual friend said ‘1st mutual friend and I have been talking and we really think DF will be more comfortable at your house as you have the spare floor and she’ll be able to study etc etc.’ And basically laid on a bunch of guilt about how it’s just easier and better if she stays put at my place, and ‘how much work could lovely DF be anyway?’

This really annoyed me as I earlier in the year I put up 2nd mutual friend’s MIL and SIL for a week when they were in town for 2nd mutual friend’s son’s christening. (Sorry that’s a lot of different people to keep track of and I’m probably too tired to explain it clearly!) I’d never even met them, it was purely a favour to her. They were lovely (and actually left us a $$$$ bottle of wine) but it makes me feel like these three friends think nothing of my hospitality and that I basically owe it to everyone.

I spoke briefly to DF, I’ve actually barely seen her because I’ve been sleeping badly and so going to bed right after the children. I told her DH and I have decided not to have houseguests anymore (this is true BTW). I said not all our houseguests are as considerate as her (this is also true) and so until the children are bigger we’re just not going to be hosting anyone. I said I’d enjoyed spending so much time with her over the last two years but we can’t keep having her stay. Would love to have a regular dinner etc when she is in town instead.

She seemed to take all that in and was very understanding but yet she’s still here.

OP posts:
suprisepitstop · 27/08/2019 12:39

So has she indicated when she might leave this time??

Jokie · 27/08/2019 12:43

So, she's still there... But for how long?

MzHz · 27/08/2019 12:45

The deal was the weekend - she needs to go!

Can you get the bed taken out today?

You need to actually say to friend that you’d said ok for the weekend, but now it’s the week and you have things to do, bedroom clearing to get sorted and you’re running out of time, energy and tbh patience with the world. She either needs to go and stay with other friends, find an Airbnb or go home.

If you can’t have this conversation without support, get h to stand with you

Lulualla · 27/08/2019 12:51

I really don't know how some people function in life.

Why havnt you just said "do you remember we discussed this before you arrived and we agreed that you wouldn't stay here. My feelings havnt changed and I need my house back. I just can't have this happening at this stage in my pregnancy and I can't expect my husband to just accept it either. Let me know where you are staying for the rest of the trip and I will help drive your stuff over after dinner".

It's your house!!! Your mutual friends do not get to make this decision. Your friend does not get to make this decision. She can book herself into accommodation if that's what she needs to do. You told her before she arrived and you do not need to accept a change in the agreement now.

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 27/08/2019 12:51

No indication of when she'll leave but she's apparently trying to since she's contacted two friends and asked to stay there.

A hotel or B&B isn't a likely option, which is why mutual friends are pushing the problem back on me. Hotels are expensive here, and the cost for 2-3 weeks would be exorbitant, especially as DF won't have budgeted for it. There is a significant difference in income between DF and the rest of us, and I don't think any of us would feel ok if she was paying for a hotel when one of us could have put her up. The reason (I'm guessing) they are pressuring me is that if she really can't stay with me then they will feel obligated.

OP posts:
MsPavlichenko · 27/08/2019 12:51

She is beyond cheeky now. You and DH if it is easier need to tell her fimly to go.

She should go right now. But you could give her notice. And if you are generous say Friday as you know she can go home after the course. I wouldn't by the way, I'd say today. Get her key and or change the lock and ignore any desperate calls or messages from her and friends.

BoomBoomsCousin · 27/08/2019 12:53

Don’t be embarrassed! It’s hard to set up new boundaries. Well done on talking to her about not having house guests. But I think you need to ask her what her plans are because she’s aware you weren’t expecting her to be staying this week and she doesn’t seem to have sorted herself out. Remind her that a few days every so would have been one thing but a few weeks without even an advanced ask is a totally different kettle of fish and as well as it being not good right now you’re a bit put out that she takes you for granted like that. Kindness is important when you tell her this, but it’s also important to let her know that she does actually have to get her act together.

You should also feel free to put some pressure back on your mutual friends. You are 8 months pregnant, working from home is hardly the issue if she’s out all day on a course and the question to your friends wasn’t where they think she would be more comfortable it was “can they put her up because she can’t stay with you. Though I do wonder - Why are mutual friends calling you to discuss where she’s sleeping? She should be calling them. What does she think about having everyone sorting out her accommodation over her head like a child?

2Rebecca · 27/08/2019 12:55

It's not your job to be finding somewhere for your friend to stay, that is your friend's job. It sounds as though you have quite a nasty selection of guilt tripping friends. I think your friend seems to have moved in without asking if she could stay for ? 3 weeks. Will she be gone for good after the 3 weeks? Why can't she get a b&b or go home?
If you want her out now you need to tell her straight "we'd like you out by the weekend please, we don't want house guests at the moment" and don't give out any keys or offers of overnight stays to people in future

EdtheBear · 27/08/2019 12:57

Oh bless you Op. Lots of people seem to be ganging up against you.

Remember you have a big house for your convenience NOT for anybody else's. You might have a whole floor free but really you have 3 of you (soon to be 4) cramped into one room.

Get on the phone and get a charity to collect the bed. Get friend to help you move stuff around. Don't let study be her excuse.

LazyLizzy · 27/08/2019 12:59

Your so called friends are really doing a number on you OP.

Maybe it's time to stand up for yourself.

MzHz · 27/08/2019 13:00

She is NOT your problem!

You said to her before she even arrived that she could stay for the weekend but she’s have to go on Sunday

She completely ignored you

The others don’t want to put her up.

They’re busy making excuses and trying to guilt you into facilitating this when it’s absolutely clear and reasonable for you to say that you really are not in a position to host - at all!

You’ve already gone waaaay above and beyond what is reasonable AND you’re doing way more than any of the others have done, so pass the baton!

TELL your mutual friends that you can not and will not be hosting past today and df knew this before she arrived. To insist and guilt trip you now - especially given the fact that you’re struggling physically, emotionally and generally is not what friends do. This is torture. It’s cruel and something your hormones may never allow you to forget!

Surely they know that you’d never EVER piss off a pregnant woman! Hormonal grudges just don’t shift!

MzHz · 27/08/2019 13:01

And I agree, call a furniture charity and get that bed taken today

Zucker · 27/08/2019 13:02

You need to pull out the trump card here OP. You're eleventybillion months pregnant and it's all too much.

You are worrying about hurting her feelings. Meanwhile she is having absolutely no problem hurting yours. (As for your "friends" ffs they're really taking the biscuit!)

MzHz · 27/08/2019 13:02

I’d threaten to clear the shed too if she insists on staying. She is officially outstaying her welcome

northernlites · 27/08/2019 13:03

@WishingILivedOnAnIsland please don't be embarrassed about updating
It's a difficult situation you are facing at a time of life that you really should be getting R&R

Seek a charity to collect bed ASAP - Shelter are pretty good

Ask DH to help sort out the moving on of friend ie support/ united front / being firm with her thus allowing you to be the friend

Make it clear to her and your other DF's she is to sort the accommodation and not your responsibilities

Make up some pregnancy complication eg high blood pressure if you need leverage

You will fill such a weight lifted once she has gone and you can do your 'nesting'

Thanks
hellsbellsmelons · 27/08/2019 13:05

Don't be embarrassed OP.
You vent away and use your own thread as you want.
But please tell her what you've told us.
She should realise this is too much for you right now.
And so should your other friend.
Just do what you can.
And if she isn't leaving, tell her that in your current state you need far more help and you would appreciate it if she could clean the bathroom every other day.

EdtheBear · 27/08/2019 13:06

I've just seen your second post.

Get rid of the bed.
Call the two friends and say, bed is going. Can you come round and help us move furniture, and get Bedroom sorted for toddler.
Get them all round much hard for them to say no to DF directly rather than via you.

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