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For revoking an open invitation to stay?

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 23/08/2019 12:47

I write half hoping to cop a bashing so I am more motivated to do the right thing.

A dear and wonderful friend moved to another town for a work opportunity about 2 years ago. When she moved I gave her a key and told her she was welcome to use our spare bedroom whenever she wanted to come back.

Since then she’s been staying for 1-3 nights at a time about once a month. She’ll usually be back for one specific thing like a medical appointment or an engagement party but have no other plans. She keeps personal belongings in the spare room and stores larger items in our shed so our place serves as her hometown base.

She’s not loud or messy or ungrateful. But- she is underfoot. She is a homebody and mostly stays in, pottering about our living room/kitchen with cups of tea. She tends to come along if we go for brunch, to the park, walking with the children etc. Which is lovely but it eats into family time.

There is all the usual houseguest stuff- more laundry, more pressure to tidy up, an extra clean of the bathroom, the need to make polite chit chat first thing in the morning when I just want to stagger wordlessly towards the kettle. But for a few nights it’s no big problem.

She’s just texted to check that she can stay for 16-20 days straight while she does a professional course next week.

And I reeeeally don’t want to host her for that long.

My reasons (mostly selfish):

  • she’s recently stopped taking anxiety medication and the last time she stayed she spent each evening talking repetitively at length about very small problems that were obviously swirling around in her head. I spent a lot of time listening and being reassuring and supportive. But it was draining. It also took a lot of time away from the other things I normally get done in the evenings (life admin, laundry, catching up on work emails etc). I also find that stress in other people rubs off on me and I felt stressed for days after she left.
  • I’m 8 months pregnant and I. Am. Tired. I am sore. I don’t want more housework, more emotional labour, one more person to think about. When the children are asleep I want to plough through my To-Do list if I have any energy or switch off completely if I don’t.
  • We have easily excited toddlers and having an extra person in the house makes it that much harder to get them to focus and eat dinner, go to bed, stay in bed, all the usual toddler wrangling challenges.
  • DH and I are currently in marriage counselling and so valuing our privacy more than usual. Being alone once the children go to sleep gives us space to talk things through if we need to, but otherwise enjoy some downtime together. The next few weeks feel really important for this given we’re about to be back on the newborn/sleep deprivation train soon.
  • Our house has just the one living space which is open plan with the kitchen. A toddler sleeps in our bedroom. There’s nowhere to escape to.

My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her. She hasn’t done anything wrong. When she moved I told her she would be welcome so suddenly saying no feels unfair. She knows we have the empty bedroom, so there’s no reason not to have her apart from simply not wanting to.

But I am running on empty and it feels (irrationally) like this one quiet houseguest will break me.

AIBU to say no this time? If not, how can I do it in a way that doesn’t hurt her feelings?

If I am BU, then please give me tips on managing houseguests with minimal effort. Sad

OP posts:
Whatafackinliberty · 25/08/2019 17:35

Shes taking you for a ride. And I'm not surprised as you're obviously a total doormat.

NorfolkRattle · 25/08/2019 17:37

I've come to this late in the day but:

I felt quite claustrophobic reading all this- your anxious friend to whom you have given a key, you pussyfooting around feeling guilty because it's not convenient for her to come and stay, you trying desperately hard to do anything rather than say "No" to her.

Lots of posters are saying you are lovely but by being this "lovely" friend you are agreeing to be a complete mug and a pushover.

I get the impression you feel sorry for this friend. It is not her fault she suffers from anxiety, obvs. But you say that she was managing this anxiety with medication and with therapy and that she has more recently discontinued the medication and the therapy and is now even more anxious. This is very much a CHOICE she has made! A daft choice. Enabling her to behave like an overindulged child is doing her no good at all.

It sounds like both you and she lack boundaries: she expects to be indulged and treated like a child, and you indulge and treat her as if she IS a child. No wonder your husband resents the set-up, i think any half-reasonable person would.

And by saying she can stay for the first 2 days you have missed the opportunity to set a boundary. What message does that give out? That your comfort and peace-of-mind and the comfort and peace-of-mind of your DH are of little or no consequence. And, as others have said, you've allowed her a foot in the door (literally). . .it will now be harder to get her to leave. especially as she seems unwilling or even possibly incapable of getting a hint.

Drum2018 · 25/08/2019 17:53

Let other friend be the one to tell her she cannot host her, not you. And when DF comes to you assuming you will allow her to stay on with you, just say the original plan stands, you simply cannot host her again. Suggest the nearest b&b. I'd go as far as changing the lock on your door as, even if she gives a key back, she may have cut another spare for herself - who knows when she'd let herself in again!

Motoko · 25/08/2019 18:14

Yes, change the locks. You can get replacement barrels in B&Q, and you only need a screwdriver.

You might not think she'd get a key cut, but she may already have a spare, in case she loses one, plus, she's surprised you before. You didn't think she'd come so often, and you also thought she'd be like your other guests, and spend most of the time out of the house.

billy1966 · 25/08/2019 18:32

I think a lot of couples would be in couples therapy if one of them had one of their friends taking the piss and imposing like this.

OP you need a bit of a shake.
Not lifting a finger when she visits. Selfish.

Your DH must be very patient. Neither my husband not I would put up with that from each other's friends.

Her just turning up last night and letting herself in is weird.

I also think she's treating your home like and entitled child might a parent's house.

Change the barrel in the lock would be money well spent.

lavenderandthyme · 25/08/2019 18:43

This sounds like a total nightmare and she sounds very insensitive. I think you're going to have to bite the bullet. Sit her down with a cup of tea. Tell her you are sorry but you need your key back now. Your'e about to have a new baby and there won't be space for her to stay any longer. Change the locks. End of. You really need to be a LOT tougher. You do sound lovely but she is massively taking advantage of you.

CookPassBabtridge · 25/08/2019 19:14

Yes claustrophobic is how I feel too reading this but then I can't handle guests for more than a few hours or I get twitchy!

Mummyoflittledragon · 25/08/2019 19:23

Gosh it sounds as if you are pretty nonplussed as to how to react to her letting herself in. 😱 I do agree with a pp, who said both mutual friend and you are infantilising this woman, which makes me think she will either hit the roof or turn on the tears when the time comes to leave.

Crazyladee · 25/08/2019 19:57

But what I dont understand is why did mutual friend contact you to say she cant have her to stay and what can you do.. Why didn't she contact her directly? It kind of reads that CF friend is sitting back and letting you both sort out her accommodation problems between you. In the nicest possible way you need to pull your big girl pants on, grow some balls and put boundaries in place that are 2 years overdue. I wouldn't have had her to stay at all (and especially on a bank holiday weekend so close to your due date) after the CF request to stay for three weeks. I bet she has already put plans in place to extend her stay, with waterworks at the ready. It sounds as though it has only just dawned on you now after 2 years of putting her up for free you are being a doormat. My DH is the most laid back and understanding fella in the world but even he would be livid and wouldn't put up with half of what your DH has put up with. He would also lose a bit of respect for me too for being a bit spineless and putting your friend before your own family. Letting herself in your house with her key? Tagging onto family walks and expecting to be invited to parties thrown by friends of yours she doesn't know? Sounds like the synopsis for the film single white female! And not to mention she never lifts a finger to help? And all this has been going on for 2 years!

Think about this. A good friend wouldn't dream of imposing to the level she has. But even if it had got to the stage where she had asked to stay for the three weeks and then received that message back from you suggesting the compromise of staying just for the weekend, a good friend would have taken the hint and would have responded to your message back with a "yes of course you can't put me up when you are so close to your due date. What was I thinking?? Stay just for the weekend? No, you spend the lovely Bank Holiday with your DH putting your feet up, getting last minute things done. We can catch up another time possibly when the baby has been born" Good friend would probably be privately mortified at pushing it for so long and accepted that your situation is different now.

lawnmowingsucks · 25/08/2019 20:03

Good friend would probably be privately mortified at pushing it for so long and accepted that your situation is different now.

Exactly - and I think we might have established that this particular friend is of the CF variety and that the OP has been pussyfooting around somewhat. I'm sure that will change now Grin

Mxyzptlk · 25/08/2019 20:10

Hoping we hear back from OP to say the situation's been sorted.

Dutch1e · 25/08/2019 20:14

Jumping back in to point out that OP, you're a lovely friend but being a but unkind with these mixed messages.

Whether she's a CF or just a bit dense isn't very clear right now.... what if you end up hating her because of a lost opportunity to be straight?

Teethlikepins · 25/08/2019 20:25

I cant believe how unaware and rude some people can be!

rookiemere · 25/08/2019 20:53

I think some folk need to calm down a bit with the lock changing suggestions.

OP gave her DF the key, it's therefore not surprising that DF would interpret this to mean that she could let herself in. This is also the first down OP has set any boundaries and to be fair to the DF she did try to set up accommodation elsewhere but it has fallen through. The key thing now is if DF will move to the next stage of understanding that she'll need to pay for accommodation- from what has been said, it's likely to take a little prompting in that direction.

But do ask for the key back OP , even though you will do it very nicely I'm sure.

EdtheBear · 25/08/2019 21:19

Op where is she tonight?

How are you and DH?

ALittleBitofVitriol · 25/08/2019 21:51

Far out. You can't be her mother you already have actual babies that need their mother.

I can not believe that she's never 'thought to help' - are you kidding me? Would you accept that from your husband?

This is sounding really unhealthy and codependent.

Cassandrainthenight · 25/08/2019 22:18

Felt so suffocated reading this. This friend has not been a good friend at all, and pandering to her and her anxiety you haven't done her any favours, instead of being motivated into sorting her life out she turned your family into some sort of surrogate family of her own (at your expense, though she might be unaware if you are very good at keeping your social engaged face on when she's around) which gave her enough of not needing to bother to create an independent life of her own.

Stop this arrangement for your family's AND for your friend's sake. She needs to be allowed to grow up.

As everyone else here, I highly hope she's out of the house but also somehow highly doubt it. Give that bed away for free asap if needed, and don't mention the foldout, she'd tell you she'd be happy to live on the landing for weeks.

MoomimWoomin · 25/08/2019 22:38

It sounds like she wants to be treated like she is one of your children...

FloatingObject · 25/08/2019 22:51

Awww. Sorry, playing devils advocate here but I actually feel a bit sorry for your friend although I totally understand your position and would feel the same.

From her perspective, she's an anxious, homesick person who clearly loves spending time with you. Back in the day, as you yourself admit, you gave her a key and told her to make herself welcome any time.

Now, your life has changed. You have kids, and a new baby coming, and you understandably want some space. For your friend on the other hand, who doesn't have kids (it sounds like?) this shift doesn't particularly register. All the talking about how stressful stuff is could be anxiety, but it could also be a way of giving more substance to her life. I've actually done this with friends who have kids. It feels a bit like your childless life must seem more desolate so you subconsciously overegg it a little (just my personal experience).

Before she knows it, friend is being passed around like a parcel, having booked a course thinking the status quo in place for years would remain unchanged. Now, two friends are exchanging messages behind her back, like shes an inconvenient delivery to be picked up.

I get it OP, I really do. But I dont think this person is a CF, and I feel for her.

FloatingObject · 25/08/2019 22:53

By the way, re my post above: "must SEEM", as I say. Not must be.

leomama81 · 25/08/2019 23:10

From HER perspective yes it might seem like that, but good friends and considerate people look at things from the perspective of others too. And asking to stay 16-20 days in OP's eight months of pregnancy when up till now it's been 1-3 days at a time isn't the status quo.

I get what you mean about being the single childless friend, I was that friend until recently too, but I always had the awareness to be able to see my friends had their own things going on and couldn't be expected to put those all aside for me.

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 25/08/2019 23:10

@FloatingObject That's more or less how I see it, which is why I feel guilty.

I know she would have loved to have a partner and children by now but it hasn't happened for her. I don't think it would occur to her to feel bad for me when from her perspective it must seem like I have it all.

I especially feel bad that her friends are basically ditching her for not being poor company while she's having a dip in her mental health.

Re letting herself in: that's what she always does, it doesn't bother me. I had a newborn when I made the offer and I didn't want to have to wait up for her to arrive at night so I gave her a key and told her to just let herself in as quietly as possible.

In other news, I listed the bed for free as long as they took it all including the mattress (perfect condition), only to have the bloke who claimed it um & ah all afternoon about taking the mattress, whether it would fit in his car, would we dismantle the bed for him etc. and then he didn't show up! Angry

OP posts:
FloatingObject · 25/08/2019 23:14

You sound lovely OP. Please don't let this get in the way of what sounds like a great friendship. Don't let her stay for the extended period of time, but go out for dinner with her and have a proper heart to heart. Lay it all out completely honestly for her, and tell her she should move back to the town she so clearly misses, and she should get back on the meds. Tell her you'll always be there for her, but at this particular moment in time, you need to prioritise DP and the new baby.

Proseccoinamug · 25/08/2019 23:14

I agree floatingobject, I totally get it and the OP is not being unreasonable but I feel really sorry for the friend and don’t think she is a CF.

All this talk of ‘surrogate family’ etc - can friends never be as good as family?

Cassandrainthenight · 25/08/2019 23:30

Friends could be as good as family and better - but it has to be mutual! Not one side getting all the benefits and blithely getting away with contributing to destroying OP's health+mental health+ marriage because she's so unaware.
Who regularly stays in someone else's house and doesn't offer to help with practical stuff and never buys food+washing powder etc? Who invites herself to stay anywhere, even at your own parents' house, for three weeks?
Who invites themselves for any number of days to stay and be looked after by a heavily pregnant friend with toddlers- plural? It's mind-boggling.

OP, is she now staying at mutual friend or where?
Btw, I've found Facebook marketplace far more efficient way to get rid of stuff than Gumtree.

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