Anti-vaxxers are neglecting their children?

[sallycinnamonn]

Having a conversation with a friend about this whole anti-vaxxers malarkey.

She made an interesting point saying when a parent chooses not to vaccinate their child, it should be seen as neglect, as they are failing to protect them and their wellbeing and are putting them at risk of disease/death. It should be considered neglect just as it would be if the parent was putting them at risk of disease/death through placing them in a inadequate, unsafe environment etc.

I don't agree with anti-vaxxers but have never thought about it this way before. What are your opinions on it being considered as neglect? I'm interested to see what others have to say about her opinion.

Do some people need herd immunity explained to them?

"Vaccination = 'Just Like The Nazis.'"

Wasn't that section 5a(ii) of the Nuremburg Laws?

I have no idea what your post means Mockers. No one said vaccination is like the nazism. A poster above said punishing unvaccinated children by excluding them from society is hitler like

Vaccination is, obviously, the ideal situation. But people won’t, and this thread is about how those people are dealt with

@Passthecherrycoke

Thank you for clarifying what was already very obvious (I’m not being snarky, just amazed that it needed clarifying).

‘Rabid anti - vaxxer’ who has a complete history of being vaccinated (voluntarily) and who chose to vaccinate their own children. Yes, quite.

‘Comparing vaccines to nazism’ - no, comparing the desire to ostracise and segregate certain groups of people based on your own irrational fears (like Hitler did) was the goal. And even with it spelled out as clearly as possible, you still didn’t catch on. I honestly don’t even feel like a comment as disingenuous and hyperbolic as that even deserves a reply, but here I am.

I am genuinely concerned that people think the way you do. No rational thought, no desire to question or improve the current situation. Just simple blind faith and rage.

That was supposed to be “the the nazis” not like the nazism which is now making me laugh totally inappropriately

I know a couple (not in the UK) who lost their baby because of measles, before they could get the child vaccinated at the normal age.

Measles can lead to death so would be a form of neglect.

It's high time that the government made it law.
We had almost eradicated most diseases that left children dead or disabled.
Now we are seeing a return of those diseases.
Why the Hell any sane parent would want to risk their child either dying or being left disabled for the rest of their lives is beyond me.
Anyone not complying should be charged and severely punished.

Severely punished how dogsleftbollock?

Personally I'd have them publicly flogged, however, being as that isn't an option, they would have to attend parenting classes until they're deemed fit to parent correctly, or risk jail time.

But none of those things mean their children get vaccinated? Which is surely the actual outcome you want.

I live in an area with a high rate of measels. My child cannot be vaccinated so relies on herd immunity, and measels could seriously harm or kill him. That is not an irrational fear.

And you dregged up an old thread just to spout anti-vaxx nonsense, so yeah you sound like a rabid anti-vaxxer to me.

Still waiting on you to link to the works of Kerri Rivera.

They would, they would be done with a G.P visiting the home to do it in the presence of a social worker and a police officer.
Or they can face having their kids removed from them until all the vaccinations are given, however long it takes.
And the parents still punished.

What holding them down against their will? That’s disgraceful

In fact that’s horrendous. How could anyone do that to a child yes their parents are thickies but it’s not their fault.

That’s why your ideas can’t work. Because the child takes the punishment

@Passthecherrycoke
Do the parents who willingly vaccinate their kids hold them down? Of course not, they hold them still, not down.
It's just the same.
However, if they need to be restrained, then so be it. A couple of minutes discomfort is better than a lifetime disability or death.

More of a punishment to be fucking blind or dead I would say.

But these children are in a completely different scenario. Their parents don’t want them vaccinated. Their parents won’t be there to comfort them.

I honestly am struggling to understand how anyone could suggest it. It seems obvious to me the answer is to engage them in education, not enforced medical treatment

And you want ultimately, the children to enter the care system? Why on earth would anyone suggest that? Do you have any idea how poor the outcomes are for children in the care system?

For all I’m pro vaccination and have no time for anti vaxxers and their bull we can’t have a society where people can come into individuals private homes and vaccinate their kids! That’s horrendous.

As for taking the kids away that’s just going to damage the kids. The threshold for adequate parenting is, I understand it, quite low because research shows that unless kids are being seriously neglected/actively abused their outcomes are better being with a parent than in care. Plus given kids who are being starved/beaten fall through the net as it is how would this be enforced?

Then the parents avoid all that by obeying the law.

You need to think through what will happen when they won’t, rather than rely on that. You can avoid prison by not committing a crime but that doesn’t stop people does it?
You’re being really simplistic

I think your posts have really given food for thought @Passthecherrycoke. Thank you. I’ve been in the “no school without vaccines” camp but there’s a lot to think about before, if ever, going down that route.

Ah, you're one of those parents @Passthecherrycoke
Oh well.

Would you mind explaining what parents you’re talking about?

If you mean anti vaxxer you couldn’t be more wrong. Me and my children are all vaccinated

It's far from neglect. Most anti-vaxxing parents have done lots of research before deciding against vaccinations.

The research is much more than the theory MMR might cause autism, a lot have done documentaries to explain their reasons.

I vaccinate because my research says that it saves lives, but they're my children and I will make decisions for them in their best interest.

I don't agree with a government dictating what adults should or shouldn't pump into their child. Next it will be the Mississippi appendectomy that's dictated by the government.

The government should simply be providing more opportunities to explain the research to parents so that they are informed and educated with all the facts about what is in the chemicals and why vaccinations are great.

I would also like to see children routinely have the TB vaccination that was stopped in 2006 to be reinstated.