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DP’s DD is a bully

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IfYouWannaComeBack · 18/08/2019 09:57

I’ve thought long and hard about posting on here for advice, I’m genuinely at a loss what to do and this is breaking all of our hearts.

She is not a bad kid, she can be really lovely, funny and charming but at other times she takes pleasure in making other people upset and bullies them, especially other children. I’d say currently her behaviour is a 50/50 split, it’s like she’s two different people.

I’ve been with DP for 4 years and her behaviour has been like this the whole time I’ve known him so it’s not a sudden recent change, and from what I’ve gathered she was like this since very young.

As far as I’m aware she’s had no trauma in her life, her parents split when she was a young baby so she doesn’t know any different so I don’t think it stems from that. But obviously there is something going on for her to behave this way.

There’s no rhyme or reason as to who she decides to pick on either. Children at school, strangers, members of her own family, her “friends” even.

Her behaviour is so mean and unpleasant sometimes that it’s resulted in my own DD not wanting to spend time with her on her own and some of our friends have stopped seeing us with their children because they don’t want to be around her.

She’s a very dominant, strong willed person but I think if it was channeled correctly they wouldn’t necessarily be bad personality traits. But she’s using manipulation, cruel remarks and insults to “dominate” her peers.

My DP pulls her up when she’s being unkind or unpleasant but if I’m honest I do think she’s over indulged by both of her parents who tend to brush it off as “she’s only little”. She’s not little, she’s nearly 11 and very aware of how she’s making other people feel because I’ve seen her many times laughing and smirking when she’s got the reaction she wants.

She’s been picking on her cousins (DP’s nieces - from two different sisters) and both of my SIL’s have contacted us separately this week to say she’s upset her cousins or has done something horrible to them.

Yesterday we were at a family gathering and she had my cousins eldest daughter in tears because of her behaviour. This child is several years older, physically bigger and extremely intelligent but SD managed to reduce her to a puddle of tears. It was awful and we ended up having to remove her from the party.

I’m not sure really what to do about this. DP has tried talking to her about her feelings, appealing to her empathy, even punishments as consequences such as no tv.

Nothing seems to be working. Her mum is quite hostile whenever DP tries to talk to her about it and she pretends it doesn’t happen when she’s with her so it must be something to do with DP. This is not the case at all, it happens at school and DP’s eldest daughter (15) said she is like this all the time and her mum’s friends are also now trying to avoid play dates or social events with her.

My concern is that she must be deeply troubled. I don’t think happy children behave like this. I’ve suggested DP take her for some counselling to see if they’re able to get her to open up about what’s going on but her mum is completely against this and accused us of creating a problem that isn’t there. She’s burying her head in the sand about it.

She goes to secondary school next year and I want her to be happy and enjoy her time there. I’m worried she’ll be labelled a bully and end up lonely as no one will want to socialise with her.

My other concern is the affect this is having on my own DD who won’t be in a room alone with her anymore. I obviously don’t make her and it’s making me reconsider the relationship because I don’t want my own children distressed by her behaviour.

What do you suggest? Has anyone else experienced this with their children or stepchildren? How did you help them?

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OutwiththeOutCrowd · 18/08/2019 16:31

If you are serious about making a go of it as a blended family unit, I would be tempted to suggest family counselling rather than counselling just for DP's DD. It would give all of you a chance to talk through grievances and explain how each of you feel in the presence of a 'referee'.

DP's DD may be acting as if she's 'mad, bad and dangerous to know' but she's also a young girl trying to negotiate the tricky terrain of interconnected bio and non-bio relationships.

She'll probably feel a lot of loyalty towards her mother and this could make her uncertain of your DP and of you. Plus your DP will feel that his own loyalties are divided between his DD and you. There may be undercurrents of jealousy and rivalry swirling around too. Add to this mix the strong personality of your DP's DD and it isn't hard to see that tensions could easily develop and the resultant anger may bubble up in other seemingly unrelated situations.

So that would be my suggestion - family counselling in acknowledgement that the situation is difficult for all concerned.

MsTSwift · 18/08/2019 17:04

I did some nannying in my late teens for a family of 3 the eldest was one of these. “Nice” upper middle class slightly hippyish family. I took the kids swimming and found him trying to drown his younger brother. Last I heard the rest of the family emigrated and left him behind.

KarmaStar · 18/08/2019 17:04

Agree with @furiousfixation.the child needs professional help and her dm needs to stop hiding from the truth.

OpheliaTodd · 18/08/2019 19:13

The more you write about her the worse she sounds. If I were you I’d dump DP because he’s a bit useless isn’t he. No way his psycho kid would be coming anywhere near mine.

GreenTulips · 18/08/2019 19:16

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GreenTulips · 18/08/2019 19:17

Totally wrong thread! Oops sorry

Lovemusic33 · 18/08/2019 19:30

Sorry I haven’t read the whole thread but I would get your dp to take her to the gp and also arrange a meeting with school to discuss how they feel about her behaviour (though this might have to wait if she’s about to go up to high school).

She may have some kind of personality disorder, something like this can be caused by trauma but not always. Although her parents split when she was a baby it doesn’t mean this hasn’t effected her at all, growing up without both parents living together may have still effected her, also the fact her mother lets her get away with everything doesn’t help. If your dp has joint parenting rights then he can take her to the gp, for counselling or for family counselling. She may find once at high school that behaving like this is going to get her into big trouble. Also being in year 7 may knock her down a peg or 2 as she’s now one of the youngest again.

At the moment I think your best to keep things the way they are with not living with dp, he can spend time with his dc when you spend time with yours, you need to put your dd first and he needs to out his first, if putting them together isn’t working it’s best to keep them separate for now.

Winterlife · 18/08/2019 20:01

She's probably a sociopath, perhaps even a psychopath. That complete lack of empathy, coupled with the victim blaming, are characteristic traits of sociopaths. In children, it is called "conduct disorder".

With therapy, sociopaths can grow up to be productive and relatively "normal", whatever that means.

If she doesn't get help, she will grow up to become what we all know as the "queen bee" or "bitch". I've known a number who are quite successful, work wise.

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 18/08/2019 20:09

First of all, congratulations on not putting your desire for a relationship above your daughter's safety. It's depressing on here to see so many women doing exactly that. I think that you are completely right to not move in together while this problem is ongoing, it could go so badly wrong.

Your partner needs to speak to the school and try to get a referral, even if the mother isn't on board. In his place I would also be seeking medical and legal advice. This is obviously a serious problem and faffing about won't help it. It could well be that there is no help for her, but it could equally be true that delaying help is actively harming her. Would your partner go to court to make sure that she got help if a doctor told him it was necessary?

Since your daughter doesn't want to see her (understandably!) I think it's completely fair to say that because she behaves like this, they won't be meeting up at weekends etc. There is a very limited amount that you can do about your partner's daughter's problems, but you absolutely can protect your own daughter.

GreenTulips · 18/08/2019 20:54

I hope you’ve also told him why you won’t move in or stay over on his weekends

If he just deals with her EOW he has no consequences to seek help

Tellmetruth4 · 18/08/2019 21:15

OP, if your DP and her mother will not seek professional help, you have no choice but to end this relationship for the sake of your child.

My DB was like this and my parents didn’t seek help as they didn’t want him to get into trouble with the authorities. My mother in particular tried to minimise his behaviour but I think it was because she was scared to admit the truth. His behaviour almost ended their marriage. DB and I are now NC but my childhood was ruined and I will forever be damaged. It took a long time for me to stop being jumpy. It escalated to a point when I genuinely thought my brother would kill me. We were still in secondary school then.

The bit that really scared me about your story is when you mentioned the snails. When we were in primary school, DB got lots of snails from the garden, arranged them into a group, placed a plank of wood on them and jumped on it... I’d hate for another little girl like your DD to have the kind of childhood I did. I repeat, if they do not take effective action, walk away.

Dieu · 18/08/2019 21:23

Oh dear. Mum is doing her no favours by pretending she's the victim and minimising her behaviour. It sounds like family therapy is needed. You sound very sensible and caring though, OP.

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