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To think Jeffrey Epstein “suicide” sounds unlikely

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Secretmeerjng · 10/08/2019 17:44

Just that really...

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Passthecherrycoke · 11/08/2019 09:23

Do people really think the royal family are that powerful, I can’t imagine that they’d have anything like that power especially in another country. I would imagine the outcome would be Andrew as an object of disdain, nothing more.

HorridHenrysNits · 11/08/2019 10:11

No, but Andrew wasn't his only famous associate.

BlackberryBeret · 11/08/2019 10:16

Do people really think the royal family are that powerful

No don't be silly. This is far more likely to involve extreme wealth of the sort that makes the Queen look poor and high level political power and extreme corruption. Policital power not just meaning policiticians but the funding power behind the throne. No one donates to a political campaign for free do they.

Emphatically not talking about this case but in general terms if you were in the market to get something - anything - fixed in any prison you probably wouldn't need to bribe that many people at all - possibly 3 - or 4 at most - say one inmate(already criminal and corrupt), someone to fix the CCTV (which could probably be done externally by hacking a computer network no matter how secure) and maybe a prison guard or two to turn a blind eye.

The question really would be offering the right amount of money, picking the right people and covering the trail of both the bribery offer and explaining how it was that a prison guard on a low salary was suddenly in receipt of $1m+. The criminal fraternity I'm sure would be more than up to sorting out all of that.

Also security agencies all over the world do kill people including on foreign soil if the state security is threatened severely enough.

There's definitely enough going on here to make it suspicious. I'd cheerfully bet though that the FBI investigation will conclude genuine suicide whatever the truth. Identifying this is a hit would cause way more problems than the US political system would want.

BlackberryBeret · 11/08/2019 10:30

The photo isn't him!! People have lined up a side by side of him before death and on the stretcher, and the hair, eyebrows, nasal folds, nose and wrinkles are all wrong!! I wish I could share it here but obviously I can't.

It's all over twitter so not sure why you are saying you can't share it here? It's a photo comparison and a random theory about a man who is now dead. It's part of public discussion on a conspiracy theory rather than accusing anyone of anything.

Someone beat you to it on MN

www.mumsnet.com/uploads/talk/201908/large-238468-screenshot-20190810-220249-samsung-internet.jpg

On this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3661845-Epstein-is-dead?pg=3

I'd be very sceptical about this kind of thing though. It's so easy to doctor images and faces change over time as well as the weight of a person lying down (backwards face drag) disorting their features.

Ponoka7 · 11/08/2019 10:33

@Passthecherrycoke, i don't think Trump and his lackey were too pleased with the whole thing.

There's a whole load of powerful people wanting him dead. Dead men don't talk.

BananasAreTheSourceOfEvil · 11/08/2019 10:37

I read a comment on another site which amused me...

If you’re surprised that Epstein has killed himself, just imagine how surprised he must have been

Passthecherrycoke · 11/08/2019 10:48

Well that was my point @BlackberryBeret. There are people far more influential than the royals involved

marvellousnightforamooncup · 11/08/2019 11:10

If I were Ghislaine Maxwell I'd be shitting myself right now.

Helpfindme · 11/08/2019 11:29

@BlackberryBeret I wasn't comfortable sharing images of a seemingly dead man and wasn't sure if it was allowed.

BlackberryBeret · 11/08/2019 12:41

That's not what you said. You said

I wish I could share it here but obviously I can't

I wish I could share it hardly fits with

I wasn't comfortable sharing images of a seemingly dead man

I can't is totally different from wasn't sure if it was allowed.

Anyway that photograph is on the front page of the New York Post so I think the issue has moved on somewhat

www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ny-post.jpg?w=620

Lizzzar · 12/08/2019 22:24

The conspiracy theories about Epstein are seriously out of control, with Trump apparently retweeting that he was somehow killed in a conspiracy involving the Clintons (reported on CNN). It is odd that someone who was a definite suicide risk was taken off suicide watch, but he was facing a long prison term, and could have probably managed to find some way to commit suicide.

LegoPiecesEverywhere · 12/08/2019 22:42

I think it is very suspicious that his cell mate was transferred to another jail before he killed himself despite an order that he must be housed with another prisoner at all times.

From the BBC
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49323320

Also mentions no 30 minute welfare checks for the highest profile prisoner in the US despite being a suicide risk.

I am not and have never been a conspiracist but this stinks.

Butterymuffin · 12/08/2019 22:47

I'm not at all conspiracy theory minded but it takes quite some effort to imagine that there was no assistance involved in Epstein's suicide at all.

YeOldeTrout · 13/08/2019 07:34

For "malice" read " malicious conspiracy".

To think Jeffrey Epstein “suicide” sounds unlikely
Countrybumpkin00 · 13/08/2019 07:50

He was murdered or forced into suicide. It would have been very inconvenient for all those influential males to be convicted of paedophilia.

CatapultingCookies · 13/08/2019 08:11

Well the photo of him leaving the prison is definitely him, although why would they let him be photographed dead? Looks like trauma to the face and ears and a neck brace. I am sure I read he was found dead in prison. Couldn't have been if he had a neck brace on.. What is this photo? Can someone link please?

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