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getmeacupoftea · 08/08/2019 12:40

We're struggling financially to put it bluntly. DH is full time in the military and I do as many hours as I can around the kids and his work schedule. I want ask what people have done to be in a comfortable position with their money. I'm driven and ready to work my ass off, just not sure which direction to go. I feel I'm still relatively young and have already got my maternity leave etc done and dusted. I know money isn't everything but I'm sick of having to skimp and save for things.

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JoJoSM2 · 08/08/2019 20:30

@doadeer that’s good effort to blow so much to not have for a house deposit 🤣

doadeer · 08/08/2019 20:34

@JoJoSM2 hahaha if only that were the reason! I'm self employed so loads went on building a maternity package and buffer for coming years when I'm looking after our baby and I can't get a mortgage for at least 3 years anyway and as I've dropped wage since having a baby the most the bank would lend based on DH salary is nowhere near the house prices where we live. So a bit stuck!

WhyBirdStop · 08/08/2019 20:36

If you work in food go into catering, you can charge 4 times the price for putting wedding on a menu.

MarshaBradyo · 08/08/2019 20:41

And events

Watch Real Housewives of Melbourne and look at The Big Group Chyka- I partially jest but they’ve done well from catering (and not university)

LLapT0p962 · 09/08/2019 07:31

I know a few people who didn't gain many qualifications at school & received negative feedback. Who have strived to do well for themselves & found things that they are good at. Who work in well paid jobs.

Haowbsicp · 09/08/2019 07:49

I’ve NC for this as it’s a lot of personal detail.

I really wish you’d defined ‘rich’ as it’s so subjective! But I thought I’d answer as although I’m not remotely rich I am pretty comfortably off and in comparison to where I was in my twenties I am rich (to me).

Current situation: living with OH, engaged to be married next month, household income £80k-ish. Late twenties/early thirties. He’s a medic and I’m a psychotherapist. Income pretty evenly split between us atm but will change as his skyrockets while mine (currently £37k) will top out around £45k, plus we’re expecting our first and I’ll be reducing my hours to three days per week. Recently bought our first property, a gorgeous three storey three bedroom house in a lovely area, it’s no mansion but for a first home we’ve done well and chose somewhere we could remain in for the foreseeable.

Our backgrounds: neither of us had any parents go to university, both born in poor areas (me a council estate). Both had difficult/traumatic upbringings, mine from my early teens onwards as home fell apart (divorce, siblings in prison, mental health issues, substance dependencies) and his from being small due to a parent who was aggressive and violent but from a culture where you simply don’t divorce.

OH is naturally very, very smart, but also a hard worker, he won a free scholarship to a private school and decided early on to go into medicine. He’s had very little handed to him on a plate, he’s from an ethnic minority often discriminated against and basically focused on his own education and studied hard with little external support or encouragement. By the time I met him he was 24 and a year out from finishing medical school and then became a doctor.

I did a pointless but enjoyable degree in the arts, volunteered from the age of nineteen in the field I wanted to get into eventually (mental health and substance use), volunteered for a crisis hotline for ten years and did several years in prisons volunteering. Worked nonstop crappy NMW awful jobs from sixteen until I finished a Masters at 26 and qualified as a social worker. The experience I gained in those voluntary roles got me into a social work MA, but it was also a case of right place right time as I was the last intake to receive a bursary and fees paid by the government to train as a social worker. During the Masters I had no financial support from anywhere else so I worked eighty hours per week doing a full time placement, then full time hours delivering pizza evenings and weekends, and continued four hours per week volunteering. I knew people who’d been offered a place on the course and declined it as they just wouldn’t consider that they could pull it off doing two years of 60-80 hour weeks plus academic work on top, so they didn’t accept. People thought I was mad to try but I knew it’d be worthwhile. On weekdays I’d frequently do 9-5 placement then 5.30-midnight delivering pizza, and worked both weekend days too. By the time I got home on a Wednesday night I’d usually already worked 45 hours that week. Unfortunately I was also very unwell with a chronic pain disability that made it even harder due to being in agony a lot and drowsy from medications but I had no choice if I wanted to qualify so I just kept going despite getting sicker and sicker as the two years progressed. I went bankrupt at 24 which sounds awful but was the best solution I could had found to my increasing debt, amassed because my poor health meant I was frequently unable to get to work before my MA, I was always living independently renting and didn’t have anyone to support me and was ineligible for disability benefits due to it not being mobility related and ineligible for tax credits due to being under the age threshold. Had to put rent and food on a credit card and it all spiralled. It taught me there is no safety net. If I hadn’t had access to credit I’d have been homeless. But when I went bankrupt I didn’t foresee ever earning more than NMW or being able to make a dent in it, as my mentality from only ever being in bottom rung jobs was that this was all I could ever expect from life. The idea of earning £20k felt like unimaginable riches to me. I was only in £7k debt when I went bankrupt but I didn’t have much choice as it kept spiralling and the repayments meant I couldn’t afford to live. Thankfully my health improved a little as time went on.

Did a few years as a SW/related poorly paid roles before being asked to train in a psychotherapy discipline by my work and accepting, which overall meant in four years I managed to take my salary from £18k at 26 to £37k at 30. By the time we met I was 28 and he was 24, so both qualified and earning or on the track to earning a decent salary. We also had very compatible goals to buy a house and have children and marry so after the first year of dating and having fun we moved in together and started saving for a home, got it, started TTC, were successful against the odds (I’m subfertile) and here we are.

We both got to this stage by studying and qualifying and then working hard in our respective professions, from poor backgrounds, but we’ve also been blessed to have come across certain opportunities at the right time such as my funded MA (though like I say it didn’t mean I wasn’t still working full time on top of full time study and placements, I’d only have time to do my essays at 1am), him being smart enough to be offered a scholarship (not to detract from his hard work!) etc. But similarly I do think it’s largely due to how hard I’ve worked, against very shit circumstances at times (lost a parent to addiction, went through severe depression and self harming myself, the bankruptcy and disability), I kept putting in 200% and taking on extra and volunteering and seizing every available opportunity in a way that not many people are willing to do. Totally understand the friends who balked at working eighty hour weeks or couldn’t understand why I’d spend my two days off each week volunteering in a prison but ultimately I wound up well rewarded and I have no regrets.

I genuinely never thought I’d be sat here in a house I own (well, mortgage!) with a successful career and a successful fiancé and a healthy (so far) baby on the way. It’s in such contrast to the lives our parents led at our ages. I wish my mother had lived long enough to know I made it through and made a fairly decent success of things.

My advice to anyone wanting to achieve financial security would be to get qualified in a reputable profession (law, medicine, social work, nursing etc) and work hard to advance before having kids. I deliberately waited until my early thirties to start a family as I couldn’t physically have done what I did in my twenties to pull myself out of where I was if I’d had a child to raise, I couldn’t have put the hours in (and it’d have been selfish to have a baby in a house share in debt with a low low paid job unable to provide I think). But even if you have a child it might not be too late.

Oh, and find a partner who has similar goals and values. We both contribute as much as each other to the relationship practically and financially so neither of us is dragging the other along. Thanks to our jobs we saved for a house deposit in two years while also renting and we’re the only couple I know who’ve done that without any family gifts of cash, loans from family, living with family to avoid paying rent etc. I’m proud of that. I only wanted to do this if it was something we could achieve ourselves without relying on others.

Haowbsicp · 09/08/2019 07:52

And I guess it goes without saying: if you want children, wait until you’re financially secure. Because once they arrive all the steps you need to take to become more comfortable become ten times harder. Wouldn’t have been able to get on the property ladder or study as much with a child in tow. Much better to wait until you have some financial security and also independence, especially as a woman, one of my pre requisites for TTC was that individually I was earning a salary that could sustain me and a child on our own if anything happened to my relationship. I feel desperately sorry for people in relationships where they’re precariously situated knowing they wouldn’t be able to leave or cope financially if their partner left. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be tight, but there’s no way I’d be getting pregnant with OH if he was earning plenty and I was only on £20k. And no way will I be giving up work to be a SAHP. Too risky.

GirlRaisedInTheSouth · 09/08/2019 07:53

I'm eager to leave the restaurant trade and perhaps stay with food.

Could you find a gap in the market? For instance, making and selling children’s lunches?

imip · 09/08/2019 08:25

Dh and I (mid to late 40s) would be considered rich, but not flamboyantly so. We have moved up many rings socially, but come from a different country where class is less relevant. Dh family are farmers, my dad laid pipes. I had an awful childhood, very violent (still ongoing), lots of trauma). Dh and I intelligent enough, both first to go to uni. No financial support ever. At 29 I bought my first house on my own, meet dh who had a deposit but market was rising all the time. Both decided to move to London in our early 30s, got married and worked in the City. Had infertility and then our first dd was stillborn. Utterly devastated, just couldn’t move for a year. We didn’t travel but were working in good jobs. Sadly, coming late to parenthood, for a few years not spending any money is how we built up a huge deposit. It’s having that deposit/house before dc. Mid 30s had 4 dc and dh job he is earning in top 1%. 2 of our dc have ASD and 1 very challenging. I’m unable to return to work. Eventually dh tries self employment as we give up a very secure life (but not before pension is topped up, mortgage very low, savings in bank). And I start working low-paid part time. Self-employment isn’t going so well, but we are around for dcs, we travel overseas once a year (often our home country), don’t miss out on anything. Dh is naturally more careful than me. I think people don’t know how to take us, can’t judge us on our accents, don’t have earth-shattering jobs.

My hope is that we are both able to remain part-time employed. Having to sit alongside my dd during the holidays and watch her self harm almost every day takes its toll on us. I’ve had such a difficult start to life and always was pushed by never ending up like my parents. Having dc later and jobs in finance is what facilitated us being able to do what we do know, particularly with zilch parental support - financial and otherwise.

getmeacupoftea · 09/08/2019 09:19

Lots of replies on here about waiting to have kids until you own a house etc... I appreciate the advice though it's not particularly helpful. They still young, so I'm thinking ride out thr next couple of years, save every penny we can, and when they go to school I'll go back to my books I think. Maybe become a food tech teacher, or college lecturer. I would love to go into private catering but it terrifies me!. Not to mention we wouldn't qualify for a mortgage until I was turning over a hefty amount.

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NCpreggo · 09/08/2019 09:33

Have a look at some of the "early retirement" stuff online - blogs like Mr Money Moustache - they've got good ideas for long term financial health.

Haowbsicp · 09/08/2019 10:09

Lots of replies on here about waiting to have kids until you own a house etc... I appreciate the advice though it's not particularly helpful

It may be too late for you but it could help other women reading the thread. I’m frequently amazed by the number of people who post on MN who had kids purely and solely because they wanted them but who are they surprised and shocked to find they can’t see a way to lift themselves and their children out of poverty. If you have them young before you’ve really grasped what it takes to make it in the world and how tough it is to achieve a decent income/how much money it takes coming into a house to sustain a decent standard of living then it’s too late sure, but there’ll be others reading who are where you were pre-kids weighing up whether to TTC with their boyfriend of a year while working in a chippy four nights per week having left school at sixteen.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that if it’s what you want and you can provide, but you’re certainly doing life on ‘hard mode’!

namby · 09/08/2019 10:31

@getmeacupoftea I'm a military wife and we had our children young which is much more common in military circles as I'm sure you know. It isn't easy and we have more hurdles than most I'm sure, but we managed to pay for childcare more easily due to our housing costs being so low (MQs), then when childcare was minimal used the Forces Help to Buy Scheme to buy a house which meant we didn't need to save for a deposit. So getting on the ladder for military families can be easier in some respects, especially saving in MQs. So utilise what you have at your disposal! In terms of career I just made sure I kept at it, even though it meant bringing home very little for a couple years when childcare was so high, but within 7 years tripled my salary, had I of kept low key in that time I'd be 7 years behind which seems pointless seeing as we want money while we have children, not when they've left the nest! With rent so low the temptation can be there for military wives to stay home as I think it can be more doable for us, and understandable when they get sent away, but just be mindful of long term consequences to minimising career opportunities during this time. I cracked on as if we didn't have kids lol, including doing a masters while commuting to London 4 days a week, thankfully my career is relatively 9-5 though so finding childcare wasn't an issue, it was just the paying for it! But it's a short term sacrifice in the scheme of things.

whothedaddy · 09/08/2019 11:06

lots of people on here talk about it being ok if you are naturally clever.
I had this jabbed at me from a sibling all my life. The fact is I studied hard and she didn't-she used the excuse that she wasn't academic to not bother studying at all- I studied my arse off. I have spent thousands of hours studying for my professional qualification.

IQ may be important but in the world of business EQ gets you a hell of a lot further. Understanding how to read a situation, public speaking, interpersonal skills are the key to sucess. You can learn these skills.

Haowbsicp · 09/08/2019 11:36

whothedaddy being naturally clever is an advantage but it’s certainly not all it takes is it? Being naturally clever might open the door to the possibility of doing certain professions that require above average intelligence, but it doesn’t replace the thousands of hours of studying and working it takes to actually qualify and succeed.

And many kids are naturally very smart but they’re never supported to do something with it and by the time they’re old enough to realise it’s too late, they didn’t choose the right GCSEs and A Levels or the right degree course. I went to a really crap primary school on a council estate where the behaviour was appalling and staff were entirely ineffectual. I was classed as a gifted child but they didn’t know what to do with me to enable me to continue stretching myself so just used me as someone for the other kids to read to as well as the teachers. Which is shocking all around.

Or kids whose parents don’t prioritise or value education. I was very lucky that my mother was naturally inquisitive and smart and cultured, she loved and valued reading and got me my first library card at six weeks old and read to me from being a baby, played classical music to me in the womb and scrimped and went without so I could have violin lessons (which I only really appreciated as an adult, what she gave up for me to be able to access that). Some kids have parents who don’t read with them or care about helping with homework or are illiterate themselves. They’re not going to go as far or continue building their intelligence in the same way as a child at private school or with educated parents will.

But yes, nobody should imply that being naturally clever means you floated into success. It gives you a leg up but the rest is down to you as an adult.

LLapT0p962 · 09/08/2019 15:41

Being rich

I also know several people who have more than one job

One their main job & their hobby as a second job

Example
Main job where fitness is required
Second job as personal trainer

Example
Main job in office
Second job as a hands on trades person like electrician, plumber, mechanic, renovated property

Example
Main job office
Second job cake maker

ElleDubloo · 09/08/2019 15:50

@getmeacupoftea So your background and training are in food. If you’re reasonably charismatic and good-looking, could you start doing putting recipes/pictures/videos on social media? Build a following. Then publish cookbooks. Then go on TV/radio.

Obviously only the minority of people succeed doing this, but it’s quite a gentle start - just do a bit every evening - and no initial cost. Can get quite lucrative if it works.

Pipandmum · 09/08/2019 15:53

My husband was a City lawyer. Unis were free back then. Then worked worked worked. Didn’t get anything from parents.
My father was a doctor. Worked hard, saw a couple opportunities and opened a clinic. Worked even harder. Also totally self made.
So both had the advantage of free university. Both got professional qualifications. Both worked extremely hard. Both recognised opportunities and took risks. Neither were frivolous with their earnings - no expensive cars etc. My father did not retire until his 70s.
You can work 60-70 hours a week but if the job doesn’t pay well you aren’t ever going to be well off. It’s a combination of the right job, ambition, recognising opportunities, willingness to make sacrifices and hard work.

willdoitinaminute · 09/08/2019 16:16

Self employed health care professional. Worked hard for 30yrs, then sold my business. Some inheritance. Now I work for someone else earning nearly as much as I did when I owned the business doing half the hours.
Good long term career and financial planning is key.Strict budgeting along with some sacrifices ( we never buy new cars or lease/hip cars) most of our furniture was second hand in the early days. I still buy clothes from charity shops and dress agencies - can’t resist a bargain and hate paying full price. We prefer to save and buy quality which lasts longer. My washing machine and dishwasher are both Miele and both nearly 15 yrs old. My sister has been through 3 washing machines in the same time.
Nobody gets rich quick unless they win the lottery or have no worries being maxed out on their credit cards.

LLapT0p962 · 09/08/2019 16:21

Having a good education does not guarantee a big salary
I know some people who have many qualifications, but their lack of confidence & soft skills has not enabled them to fulfill their full potential

Do I would say that in the world of work it helps if you have confidence, good communication skills, adapt well to changes, willing to learn new things, take up opportunities, motivated etc

ElleDubloo · 09/08/2019 16:22

@willdoitinaminute - Can I ask what type of business you had and what type of HCP you are?

Snowy111 · 09/08/2019 16:24

I think a certain arrogance and loose attitude to risk is important too. There are so many incompetents you see at higher levels in some organisations, but they get away with it! I couldn’t for shame accept the salary and not feel like I was doing a good job!

loops2019 · 09/08/2019 16:34

Train to be an accountant. Always jobs and often part time book keeping

RantyAnty · 09/08/2019 17:02

Pretty much get a degree in something useful like accountancy or STEM. Work hard at your studies. Network with people in the industry. Take a few classes in personal finance and investments. Invest and save wisely. Don't have expensive vices.

Do this and you'll have a very comfortable life. That is what is meant by working hard.

LLapT0p962 · 09/08/2019 17:10

There is still a male/female bias towards some jobs & roles

I work in a male dominated industry. However, there is absolutely no reason why females cannot do the same job.

Male jobs sometimes pay better

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