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to ask you to STOP using these unhelpful phrases?

317 replies

StopCallingMeTeresa · 07/08/2019 18:28

i apologise if this turns into an essay, but...

"Supply equals demand"
or
(worse) "low milk supply is actually quite rare so probably not your problem"

I've just read yet another MN thread where someone said the 2nd one (basically suggesting that a poster with suspected low milk supply probably wasn't in the "tiny tiny" %age of women who don't produce enough milk). It fucks me right off to keep reading this nonsense on here and other breastfeeding support groups/forums because it makes women feel like their actions or perception of low milk supply are the cause... rather than a genuine medical issue which might never be fixed. If a man had erectile dysfunction caused by a non-mental health issue, would we tell him that the problem wasn't a real problem if only he'd try the right thing, mentally?

Personally, this is (obviously) an upsetting issue. I'm 2 months PP and have low milk supply; as in, I produce about 5ml per 1hr pumping session, and I can get about 30ml on an entire day's worth of hours and hours of being hooked up to a pump inbetween breastfeeds.

My baby was delivered and within 48hrs lost so much weight he was admitted into NICU for monitoring. He was shrieking with hunger when he wasn't latched on, whcih was hours and hours of every day - i got about 3hrs of sleep in the first three days of his life, after which i was pretty much told he was in such a risky position we HAD to start supplementing with formula. My baby was literally starving.

  • I'm on domperidone to increase milk supply (dr is talking about stopping it now as it has had no affect).
  • I've spent every day of his life on a double hospital grade pump.
  • Oatmeal breakfasts, flapjacks to inrease milk. I feel sick thinking about oats these days i'm so sick of them.
  • I've taken fistfuls and handfuls of supplements every day: goat's rue to develop milk ducts, fenugreek, brewer's yeast, you name it, for 2 solid months.
  • I've tackled slow let down by doing extreme skin to skin kangaroo style care the last few weeks; I listen to relaxing music whilst feeding and pumping, smelling my baby and looking at him/pictures of him.
His latch has been checked. No tongue tie.
  • I've done about 4 feeding "resets" where I sat in bed and did nothing but skin to skin and feed for 3 days straight while my boyfriend and mum ran around doing everything else.
  • i've had other stuff like bottle feed technique checked at my local LLL group, as well as the health visitor.
  • GP has checked my thyroid and prolactin levels twice now - all normal.
  • We've done a weighted feed at the local support group but i'm simply not producing anywhere near normal levels of breastmilk.

There's NOTHING i can do now to ever exclusively breastfeed as intended. i simply don't produce enough milk for some reason.

... and yet i keep reading on here especially that "low milk supply is rare" (no scientific source or attributation, of course!) and "supply=demand", just like all the other lies i was told at the antenatal group about breastfeeing.

can i ask you to consider the impact on women like me the next time you are writing something like that?

by washing over what is a genuinely distressing problem as if it weren't a real problem, it doesn't contribute towards good maternal mental health and suggests it can be fixed.

sometimes, it can't.

and now i'm trying to accept that it's ok. but then i read BF support threads on here with misleading / ambiguous phrases like that and i struggle.

OP posts:
MorrisZapp · 07/08/2019 18:30

In a year, none of this will matter. You'll mute the entire debate, as I have.

Sparklingbrook · 07/08/2019 18:36

YANBU. It sounds like you have done everything possible.

Refilona · 07/08/2019 18:39

I wouldn’t think about those comments twice. I was bottle fed and I am a healthy adult. I’m breastfeeding my baby and it makes my life hell when she cluster feeds, and she doesn’t sleep as long as bottle fed babies during the night so I’m exhausted. The only reason I do it is because I express it as I get really painful breasts if I don’t.
This breastfeeding obsession is just another cliche like the “natural empowering birth” and the “golden hour” bullshit that some people seem to be obsessed about.

BogglesGoggles · 07/08/2019 18:40

YANBU. At all. In my personal experience supply is dependant on the mother, not the baby. In early pregnancy my supply far outstripped demand -my breasts were so over full milk was literally squirting from them, not leaking, squirting, across the room, when I got pregnant my supply dried up altogether despite no change in demand. Secondary experience of friends and family seems to be that mothers who loose a lot of blood in labour struggle to meet demand. I would imagine that’s due to low hormone levels as a result of transfusions.

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 07/08/2019 18:52

Yanbu. I had similar issues to you. I was pissed off that only on my second baby I realised that PCOS can inhibit milk production. I wouldn’t have been so hard on myself had I known that. I Mixed Fed one baby to 10m and another to about 18m. Eventually life will move on and the awfulness of breastfeeding will fade into the background (until you see smug arseholes making proclamations). I saw someone the other day saying “well I fed 4 babies so it can’t be true”. Too thick to realise that she fed them all with the same body, so it’s not even really a sample of 4.

CheesePuffTheMagicDragon · 07/08/2019 18:57

YANBU at all! Life can be so unfair sometimes ❤️

Holidayrec · 07/08/2019 19:00

YANBU no one should be made to feel bad no matter what they choose. I had to bottle feed, no regrets at all.

CheesePuffTheMagicDragon · 07/08/2019 19:01

Testing you are so right, it's the smugness that pisses me off. It's not easy for everyone and you were lucky if oats/supplements/magical pixie dust sorted it all out for you, you didn't do anything better than anyone else, it's all just luck

NeatFreakMama · 07/08/2019 19:02

I was the same as you with my first going into NICU and I saw the other thread. It makes you feel like shit, no idea why women do it to each other. Why would I lie about having a low supply, such a weird idea. Had a really difficult time but actually the consultant (a man) in the intensive care but told me to stop giving myself a hard time because it's not my fault and that my son needed a bottle, it's not a problem. Only kindness I saw about it really.

RedSheep73 · 07/08/2019 19:02

So you are the 1%. That's sad for you. Should that mean no one tries to help the many many women who think they have low supply when they haven't?

MayFayner · 07/08/2019 19:05

YANBU, I had this twice.

Holidayrec · 07/08/2019 19:06

Should that mean no one tries to help the many many women who think they have low supply when they haven't?

How do you know they haven't? Couldn't harassing women to breastfeed when they can't be even more unhealthy to a baby considering failure to thrive?

MoltoAgitato · 07/08/2019 19:06

I have breast hypoplasia, and am one of those with low milk supply. I suspect it is more common than people realise. Breastfeeding fucked me up mentally, so you have my sympathies.

PixieLumos · 07/08/2019 19:08

YANBU. Someone who genuinely struggled with breastfeeding wouldn’t say things like that - those who found it really easy and refuse to believe how difficult it can be should keep their ‘advice’ to themselves.

Beesandcheese · 07/08/2019 19:08

Sorry that things are extremely difficult for you at the moment.
The trouble with online is you get general advice that generally works.

EggysMom · 07/08/2019 19:09

I had a low supply despite domperidone - the only reason our son stayed on pumped milk for seven months was because he was tiny, in NICU, for three of those months so I had built up quite a stockpile! You're not alone.

Teddybear45 · 07/08/2019 19:09

I very much doubt only 1% of women have low milk supply. Most women probably go undiagnosed because they sensibly give it up when it seems to be harming the baby without notifying any medical professional.

Banjodancer · 07/08/2019 19:10

Lots of women think they have low supply when their milk hasn't even come in yet. I don't see a problem with pointing that out. But you OP have gone beyond anything you could ever be expected to try, and clearly have a low supply so must be really annoying if people say that to you.

Bugsymalonemumof2 · 07/08/2019 19:11

I get it a lot too when I say I didn't breastfeed because my newborn was fighting sepsis and get a lot of "you could have pumped" yes well that's not always easy and when youbare told he may die wasn't a priority

EssentialHummus · 07/08/2019 19:13

Yanbu at all. But I’m going to say that other annoying thing anyway - it doesn’t matter, certainly not to the extent your OP suggests. Bottle feed your baby if you need to, don’t overestimate the importance of BFing (easier said than done) and chill out so you can enjoy your baby without this stress hanging over you (ditto).

TinyMystery · 07/08/2019 19:14

Sounds like you’re doing an absolutely amazing job in bloody difficult circumstances so hard off to you. And I’m betting not one single person would judge you if you decided you’d had enough!

The problem is that we come from such a bottle feeding culture now, and are so far removed from what is totally normal newborn behaviour, that everyone thinks their totally average breastfed baby is starving because they want to cluster feed or don’t want to be put down. The issue is the expectation that babies will feed and then be totally content and settled in a Moses basket somewhere.

Teachermaths · 07/08/2019 19:14

OP I mean this kindly but you are one of the rare ones. You have done everything you can.

On a population level it is very rare to find people who do not produce enough milk. Sadly you are one of those people. This doesn't mean the blogs etc are wrong.

No one has lied to you. You've just been very unlucky to be in the small group of people with genuinely low supply.

HotPenguin · 07/08/2019 19:14

YANBU, but I would point out that the amount you can express does not necessarily correlate with your milk supply while BFing. I am not doubting that you have low milk supply as you say, but some people can't express yet can BF.

Imicola · 07/08/2019 19:15

YANBU. I feel the same when I hear people saying "its not nipple feeding, it's breastfeeding" in response to queries about inverted nipples. Didn't help me, but it did make me feel much more stressed and guilty.

TinyMystery · 07/08/2019 19:19

Someone who genuinely struggled with breastfeeding wouldn’t say things like that - those who found it really easy and refuse to believe how difficult it can be should keep their ‘advice’ to themselves.

I found breastfeeding very difficult (and I taught a bloody breastfeeding class before having DS!) although definitely not as difficult as the OP. I am under no illusions as to how difficult breastfeeding is. Which is which I think it is absolutely vital that women have realistic expectations about normal newborn behaviours and understand basic anatomy/biology.