AIBU to question if Brexiteers have any facts to back up their arguments?

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All I get from Brexiteers who believe in No Deal is that they think that "It will be alright!" Is they think everything will miraculously work out for the best.

No facts to offer, nothing. Nothing other than a religious style conviction that it will all be alright in the end.

Is that all they've got at their disposal to convince me that No Deal is a good idea?

@scaryteacher, thank you for your contributions. I was just wondering what you think of how the last three years of negotiations have gone, and what you think will happen now? Are you happy with the way that it's gone/does it reflect what you thought would happen when you voted Leave?

Pretty much agree with Malv - no one actually knows any "facts" - if they do then any 'counter facts' are wrong.

It's all pretty much extrapolation and speculation at the moment. Myself, these are influences on life that I can accommodate, but understand that many have difficulty with that.

My own understanding isn't found through any negative or positive socio-economic situation but because of my mindset - configured to withstand the good, bad, ugly and unknown.

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me that I'm a 'factually incorrect' person and shouldn't really be allowed to exist, in a factual sense. Because if the facts state I don't exist, then I couldn't possibly be a living human with their own thoughts could I?

I also am not sure why there's so much questioning of what happens when we leave - the EU has published over 60 preparedness notices of law and policy implications of Brexit:

ec.europa.eu/info/brexit/brexit-preparedness/preparedness-notices_en

We are leaving a legal construct. In the real world, that has impacts. I really don't get what people don't get about that. We know that under WTO rules, for instance, the EU's import tariffs on lamb will massively go up. How is that a difficult to understand fact, or 'no-one knows what will happen'? If we no-deal, that's what happens.

Then we eat more Lamb don't we chickens? The govt buys up the 'unexported' lamb and we buy and eat it - prob cheaper as it hasn't been shipped around, less admin (middlemen), less carbon footprint, etc.

Austerity being an EU approved solution blows out many anti tory rhetoric from the start

So, Osbourne got his plans for Austerity on instruction from the EU did he?
No he didn't, as well you ought to know, we are not in the eurozone and the EU/IMF plan was for that only.

Austerity has been used in economic theories and practice for decades.

However, the cons took it to the next level and carried on with unattainable goals long after most economies ditched austerity, changing their balance the books dates as it suited, now completely ditched.

Only read page one and despair for our nation when poster make ridiculous comments like this -

Of course there's no facts, it's the future

There are plenty of facts, international law is a matter of fact, laws don't disappear if you just believe really, really hard.

Besides, Brexit was never about facts, it was about faith.

That's fine, yes, as one solution to one problem - the government buys up all the unexported lamb, okay, although it generates its own bureaucracy (what price, how are people paid, what for, when, what happens to all the actual meat - where is it stored? Do we have the capacity to store it as meat? If we're keeping them in the field, will people eat mutton, etc. etc. I have no idea what the actual practicalities would be; those are just some of my first thoughts)

My worry is that there will be problems like that all over the economy. Unexportable lamb is a really obvious one to spot, and it's such high profile they will almost certainly get some support. But the sheap shearers further down the line, or the chemical company that makes sheep dip, they probably won't, but that's still jobs on the line.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49186065
"No room for excess meat in no-deal Brexit" - apparently storage facilities already full to bursting.

Ah, so potentially the government has to buy it and then burn it/bury it then? That's pretty grim. Or Brexit means Brexit means eating mutton?

All valid thoughts chickens but if we eat our cheap lamb quickly enough, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Shepherds Pie makes good use of mutton. And after all, the MN Chicken (the same one that feeds a family for days) can easily be adapted to the MN Lamb.

Same for other foodstuffs. Like oats, barley and potatoes, which grow well in most of the UK.

That's only one problem, which has the potentially to massively impact one industry, change what we're eating and requires a thought out response from government. Every single one of those preparedness notices raises multiple problems for multiple companies. Some won't be big problems, but just the number of problems all happening at once...???

I for one, don't have the answers to all of your questions chicken, just know what what I know and how I will respond to 'situations' as they present themselves.

I would also like to add - if all those farmers that claim that they need EU workers to get their crops harvested - if they could please openly advertise their jobs and provide the essentials such as NMW, etc then I, for one, would happily do that work.

Nothing will happen but the usual crap sprouted by remainers.

I didn't have an argument so why should I have to back it up.

HateIsNotGood

Farmers don't do the first but they do the second

Although there are some weird exceptions

www.gov.uk/agricultural-workers-rights/pay-and-overtime

definitions are here

Its not hard to see why Farmers struggle to get a local workforce.

So why are we doing this again? Lots of words on this thread but nothing that shouts out that this is a brilliant idea.

So why are we doing this again? Lots of words on this thread but nothing that shouts out that this is a brilliant idea.

So why are we doing this again? Lots of words on this thread but nothing that shouts out that this is a brilliant idea.