People who have never experienced being in family court

[SavanahXx]

It really does my head in when people side with social services. They have an opinion that "they are just doing what's best for the child". These people that have the opinion mostly have never even had involvement with SS, therefore don't see the lies and manipulation of a situation that they use.

It's easy for them to say that a parent 'could pose a risk' but do you know how hard it is to prove you wouldn't?

I seen an utterly revolting article that really baffled me. Social workers manage to get away with this stuff daily. Yet its not reported as it should be. This child was removed, with a judges permission. Then placed back with the mother by another judge.
There is so much corruption in our society and it needs to change.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/13/social-worker-criticised-child-taken-away-mother-refused-give/amp/

Spero: "I remain of the view that many of the problems stem from denial. It is easier to believe yourself a victim of deliberate corruption and lies than ask yourself whether or not you could have done things differently. "

Rest assured. I have spent, and continue to spend, a lot of time regularly thinking about all the things I did wrong, all the things I'd change, and my inherent personality, and my failings.

I will always continue to strive to adjust.

@auntethel I hope now people will understand 🙏 probably just my wishful thinking though.

@SavanahXx no people won't understand , some will, some won't that's life just like their are shit parents and good parents, good social workers and bad social workers. You all ranting isn't going to change that.

@spero I've been reading through your site since it was linked to yesterday - I've come across it before but hadnt scrutinised it. It's really useful and something I'll share with families, thank you.

@Bored40 are you on about the families destroyed by the state?

@wishingforapositiveyear you may not think so. Yet I think the parents who have been injusticed will disagree, it's always good to have a support network of people who can relate to you and offer support and swap stories.

I’d imagine the site would be useful for anyone dealing with the Family Courts, OP.

I’m not sure why you are insisting on carrying on with the vengeful, dramatic language.

@SmileEachDay what vengeful and dramatic language are you referring to?

@Savanah my post wasn't directed at you and I don't see any merit in discussing this subject with you. I understand you have your own experience that colours your views but if you can't discuss something without inflammatory language and insults as you have been doing through the thread, then there's no benefit to anyone. It's the equivalent of walking into a pub at closing time and seeing who's up for a fight.

@Bored40 whoops sorry. Didn't see the @sepro you put 😂😂😂

“families destroyed by the state“

“Baby snatchers”

I could continue.

@Bored40 no i don't think so. People can call my views petty etc, but I can't point out that someone is stupid because they clearly haven't read a post properly? And I can't call lying social workers corrupt, even though the lying is what makes them corrupt? Im struggling to see your problem.

I doubt every parent who has suffered an "injustice" is telling the truth, thresholds are high do you honestly think the local authority wants to remove kids unnecessarily?

Families destroyed by the state is a group. So i doubt that's vengeful and dramatic language... And what else would you call someone who has lied maliciously to take a child that should never of been taken? They snatched the baby. The baby should of never been taken. I'm not sorry if you don't approve.

@wishingforapositiveyear sometimes they aren't. Especially when it's a new born baby. Again, they don't have to prove you will cause significant emotional/physical harm. Just that you COULD. And as I've already said, anyone could do ANYTHING

I know it’s also the name of a group. It very much is dramatic.

But whatevs, OP. We’re all the product of our own experience - and sometimes that experience leaves us narrow in our views, sometimes it allows us to broaden what we think.

No i don't think it is. The SS destroys families. That's a fact. When a child is taken. Whether it be lawfully and needed to unlawfully. That family is still destroyed. You don't just have a child taken and think "right Ok my child/ten have gone. I'll just move on, it doesn't affect me" it affects mother's, father's, grandparents, aunties, uncles etc. That is a whole family destroyed.

So please. Tell me again how that's dramatic?

Child/ren**

Savanah

We have different perceptions, and that’s ok. People can view the same thing and come to entirely conflicting conclusions. I’m not going to bicker.

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@SmileEachDay fair enough 🙌👌

Social services don't get involved in your lives unless something flags you up. It can be because you made mistakes, it can be because your partner has made mistakes, it can be because your dc has presented with suspicious injuries and it can be because someone reported you to them. If you were reported prior to birth something in either your or your DD's past is flagging you up, this doesn't mean you would be a bad parent necessarily but something makes you high risk - and you are in denial about it which is why things escalated. Two of my friends are foster carers, another is a kin ship carer, they say social services gives parents too many chances. I can't comment on your case, I don't know you, but I do know that they are not deliberately targeting parents to be for no reason hand then lying to snatch their kids!

@SavanahXx if that happens it would be extremely unusual my experience working with families where harm is likely via a risk assessment would often be given a full parenting assessment and then consideration to a mother and baby assessment centre, unless the harm is so high they can't take that risk e.g. Mum has had children previously removed due to physical or sexual harm or is in a relationship with a peadophile in these situations do you think that's unreasonable ? Social workers would get laughed out of court for suggesting removal due to spending time working and on the internet. The children's guardian usually carries more weight than the social worker in court so are they liars too?

And removing a child might destroy the parents but this does not trump the child's need to live a life free from harm.

@stucknoue I'm in denial about nothing. Things flagged up because my partner was wrongly identified for something. I have said I understand why they got involved. But not why they took it to court. Or why when the victim in question seen my partner in person said it wasn't him, why they still carried on and used my past of being abused so that they didn't look stupid in court. They also used blatant lies that made them look even stupider when proven to be lies. Just because your friends are foster carers etc. That doesnt mean anything. The social workers stick to their lies... It's not like they get to talk to the parents and told about their lies is it? Take everything people say with a pinch of salt 👌👌 social workers aren't always the truthful childcaring people they portray themselves to be.