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How does someone like Jacob Rees- Mogg even come to exist, let alone end up as Leader of the Commons?
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screentime · 28/07/2019 19:54

Is anyone else in utter disbelief at what politics has come to in the UK? The nation being pushed off the precipice because “democracy”, even though nobody voted for either if these last two PMs Confused and if the referendum was a GE it would have been a hung Parliament. Plus nobody even knew what Brexit would entail when they voted. Everyone knows and openly admits we’ll all be worse off, but never mind, it’s “the voice if the people” Confused. How the hell is BJ PM when he ducked out after the referendum result and flounced out of the negotiations? One day he’s saying he’ll get a great new deal and the “doubters” will be proved wrong, the next day we hear he’s preparing for a no deal as the most likely outcome. What planet is he on? And having brought the nation to this point where we’re the laughing stock of Europe, this JRM “Esq” is focusing on how many spaces to leave between sentences and wittering on about banning random words like some demented headmaster on some petty power trip! It beggars belief. And then he turns up in Wales with a son who is wearing the same clothes as him. If you went out in the streets and looked, you couldn’t find anyone who is more of an utter loon. How is any of this happening? I ask this as someone who has mainly voted Conservative in the past due to the economy, but who in their right mind would vote for this lot? AIBU?

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screentime · 28/07/2019 23:13

WhoWants - Dare I ask where is your neck of the woods? Confused

We’re in a Conservative London borough which has occasionally been Lib Dem, (but zero chance of Labour due to tax policies), yet it voted about 74% Remain. No Conservative voter here can relate to JRM Esq or BJ etc on any level, so you just wonder who and where the supporters are.

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coolwalking · 28/07/2019 23:21

@screentime are you really unable to fathom that they have supporters all over the country? You have spoken to all conservatives in your borough? Are you a conservative voter ad if so who do you think should be the leader?

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Absofrigginlootly · 28/07/2019 23:35

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How does someone like Jacob Rees- Mogg even come to exist, let alone end up as Leader of the Commons?
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Patroclus · 28/07/2019 23:36

Who is Shabana Mahmood and what is the relevance?

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StoneofDestiny · 28/07/2019 23:42

*Hellfire sermons had nothing to do with
‘Hellfire’ sermons don’t go on - (it’s a New Testament faith, not Old Testament) and you don’t get chucked out for not agreeing or not attending. Church attendance is very low, so the church isn’t steering thinking.
Besides, like it or not it is a faith that tells you to ‘follow your conscience’,

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CilantroChili · 28/07/2019 23:48

The people of the UK are subjects of a silent coup.
I couldn’t get my head around what has happened until tonight, when I watched the great hack. It’s all set out plainly.

Divide & conquer via hate and fear.
That’s what’s happened.

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longwayoff · 28/07/2019 23:57

Cilantro, you're correct.

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Sobeyondthehills · 29/07/2019 00:04

@WhoWants2Know
Come out to my neck of the woods, and you'll find it's everyone. It's just short of a ticker tape parade for BoJo for about 30 miles in any direction. They want no deal and feel it will all be fine once they get rid of the foreigners.

Guess we live in the same part of the UK

@screentime
i understand what you are saying but this bit

even though nobody voted for either if these last two PMs

You don't vote for a PM you vote for a party, and Teresa May was the leader of the Tory party which won the last GE, thats how they are now in bed with the DUP

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thatone · 29/07/2019 00:07

Totally agree OP, it all feels so sinister.

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screentime · 29/07/2019 00:09

I’m not a Conservative voter anymore, no. I felt as if I had no choice but to vote LD in the last election, as I thought TM was a hypocrite to push Brexit through when she clearly didn’t believe in it. How could you vote for this cabinet? They claim to be the party for enterprise, yet far as I can see the Conservatives have lost the support of entrepreneurs and so many in the city in recent years. Regardless of what happens next, these last few years of uncertainty have meant it’s already too late for many start-ups and small businesses. I’m thinking if several IT- related companies our friends have run successfully for decades that used to provide hundreds / thousands of jobs are now suddenly bankrupt. The property market is stagnant in London. It’s not about forecasting doom and gloom - it’s already happened / happening. I don’t know who the Conservatives are appealing to, but they are increasingly regarded as fringe lunatics, as far as I can see.

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Iggly · 29/07/2019 06:16

Yawn, some of us had managed to work out that no deal was a distinct possibility

That doesn’t mean you knew exactly what you were voting for.

So if this is a coup, how the fuck do we sort it.

The thing I’m most worried about is that people are being fed propaganda and are sucking it up without question.

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Conkeee · 29/07/2019 06:58

This thread is a disgrace. I'm getting sick.of the inverse snobbery on Mumsnet. If I started a thread asking how the hell a working class politician thinks he has any right to run the country there'd be uproar.
The left get worse everyday

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longwayoff · 29/07/2019 07:04

You may have a point conkeee, not nearly enough vilification of blokey Mark Francois on here, as repellent as the Eton boys but unpolished.

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Piggywaspushed · 29/07/2019 07:26

Tbh, I think we should be more alarmed by Nadine Dorries getting a health minister role. She too has a hardline view on abortion. JRM can do little harm from where he is.

And Dorries likes to trumpet the idea that she is not male and not from a privileged background, so she is, in many ways , far more dangerous for women, the poor, the disadvantaged, and the NHS. (and, yes, JRM, that was an oxford comma. My bad.)

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Janista · 29/07/2019 07:26

Mumsnet is so Tory hating and remain leaning that’s the laughable part.

Here’s an idea, instead of knocking those who devote their lives to public service and their constituentcies, just because of the way they talk or the school they went to, why not try and do some good yourself.

Really dislike the way so many in the UK hate people of different backgrounds , or due to schooling or the different way they express themselves.

Big wow, plummy people exist. Sometimes they are in power. Get over it.

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Piggywaspushed · 29/07/2019 07:29

I think the point rather is that a working class man (or woman) never has run the country...

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Piggywaspushed · 29/07/2019 07:30

sometimes they are in power. I think you might want to remove the sometimes from that sentence and then it will read better.

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Janista · 29/07/2019 07:31

John Major was PM for 5 years in the 90s? His father was working class. As was Mrs Thatcher, well her father was a greengrocer not an occupation many mumsnetters would think wildly aspirational.

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WhatisFreddoingnow · 29/07/2019 08:10

@stoneofDestiny

Well yes and no.

Catholics believe that the conscience work as a sort of alarm system but that it must be correctly formed. If your conscience was formed thinking that stealing was okay, you wouldn't have any morals about stealing.

When correctly formed, it is generally believe that it will concur with the Catechism.

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screentime · 29/07/2019 08:19

“The left get worse everyday“

Well that may well be, but I’m hardly “left.” Confused It’s far too simplistic to dismiss any criticism of this government as the ravings of the “left”. I’m someone who would vote Conservative, if there was an ounce of sanity in the party. They have alienated their own core voters.

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StoneofDestiny · 29/07/2019 08:24

@WhatisFreddoingnow

Absolutely - you have a responsibility to keep your conscience informed by access to moral teachings.

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Xenia · 29/07/2019 08:26

We are certainly a country riven apart. JRM and BJ are quite popular in plenty of quarters. Loads of people are Roman Catholic. They and JRM don't foist their views on others.

Labour has not won an election since 2005 as its policies are so wrong and so unpopular. Let us hope we Tory remainers and brexiteers, alike, can win the next election.

Keep Labour out.
Vote Conservative.

However the new regime in my view are likely to be very high spend, unfortunately so not quite in the box some people want to put them and that's a shame. We need to address the fact we spend more than we take in, better even than we have been doing.

On the brexit issue both Tory and Labour party supporters are split down the middle in each party - some for leave and some for remain, like the country itself so it is going to interesting to see what happens in October.

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longwayoff · 29/07/2019 08:28

"Mumsnet is so Tory hating". Like John Major, Dominic Greave, Michael Hesseltine, Chris Patten and many more. Rabid red socialists all. They hate what the party has become. Look at the rabble in the Cabinet. No wonder the old Tories are ashamed and have distanced themselves.

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StoneofDestiny · 29/07/2019 08:34

Here’s an idea, instead of knocking those who devote their lives to public service and their constituentcies, just because of the way they talk or the school they went to, why not try and do some good yourself

Great - lets see the Tory Government prioritise those who have genuinely devoted their lives to public service - NHS, Education, Prison and Police staff. These are genuine public service jobs where the hours, accountability or dangers in the jobs do not attract bonuses or enable them to surround themselves in luxuries.

Outrageous to suggest that Johnson, Rees Mogg and their ilk are motivated for the good of all citizens. Look at what they say and do! They are self serving publicists who would be out of politics in a shot if the pay, publicity and ministerial trappings were low and off like a shot to another more attractive role that pays well with bonuses. They would be different people entirely if they spent a few years in real Public Service - but I bet both would fall on their faces at the interview stage!

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Iggly · 29/07/2019 08:37

We need to address the fact we spend more than we take in, better even than we have been doing

It’s a shame that people see public spending in isolation and forget that the private and public sector are in fact symbiotic and part of one single economy.

That’s why the likes of Farage, Boris and Gove bang on about the “elite”. The “elite” are actually pointing out the obvious.

As demonstrated after the 2008 banking crisis, governments severely cut their spending and it did not work to grow the economy.

Banks and other financial institutions were not forced to cut their spending despite profits being built on dodgy financial instruments. In fact they kept paying out huge bonuses despite making massive losses.

Why should that go unchecked when their behaviour has a direct impact on the whole economy and requires government bailouts when they fuck up?

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