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To tell DH me and the DC are moving and it's his choice whether he comes?

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VizzyWoo · 28/07/2019 13:53

We live in a tiny village of around 15 houses, basically a small estate in the middle of a field surrounded by farms. The village has no services, not even a shop. We've lived here since the DC's (now 15 and 12) were a toddler and newborn. The nearest shop is in another larger village 2.4 miles away, which may not seem like far but it's a lot when you don't drive (I suffer chronic pain that makes it difficult to drive). There are times when DH has been at work and I've had to walk an hour there and back into the larger village to get some milk. So 2 hours for a pint of milk. There is technically a bus that goes to the larger village one way and the nearest town the other way, but it's every other hour (and only turns up 50% of the time so more like every few hours) and stops at 4pm.

The DC's go to school in a town 5.4 miles away and it was a nightmare to get them in, we weren't in the catchment area and they didn't believe that they were the closest school. All of the admissions folk hadn't heard of our village. Eventually we got them in. Naturally both kids wanted independence when starting secondary school. We tried to let them both use the bus service in Year 7 but on the several times they tried the bus never turned up. So DH drives them on the way to work which they hate. Because the bus back to the village stops at 4pm (and never turns up in between them finishing school and 4) they have to wait around outside school until 6 each night for DH to get off work and pick them up.

DD starts college next year and it is 7 miles away. Bus again is completely out of the question. I have no idea how we are going to manage it as it's off DH's work route and DS's school route. We've actually had her in tears because she feels her social life is being damaged living here. If it's Saturday evening and all her friends are meeting up in town, she can never attend as DH CBA taking her. Her friends all go to the gym together and she can't go, DH won't take her. Friends eventually stopped asking her. DS is only 12 but he's starting to want to go out but can't. It's also my social life, I can't go to meet friends for a coffee etc and I am very lonely.

I have wanted to move for years, but DH always says no. His reasoning is that it's quiet and safe here, there is no crime. And that being here keeps the DC out of trouble. He also calls it his "Lovely quiet retirement home" (he's late 50s, is retiring in a few years). DD massively resents him for this. We have had many an argument about it. Personally, I think he is selfish. He has his car and can piss off whenever he likes, and he does. He gets to go into a city for work and is always down the pub in the larger village etc. While me and the DC are literally prisoner at home going out of our minds. He says I'm stupid for wanting to move into the nearby town, and that I'll be giving up our "lovely safe home". I think it's ridiculous. The vast majority of people in the UK live in towns/cities/suburbia nowadays and get on fine!

Me and the kids are becoming very lonely and depressed and he doesn't care or doesn't realize. I'm tempted to join a house swapper site (social housing) without his permission, and if we get someone interested then I will pursue it and he can either come with us or piss off. His choice, but either way me and the DC GO. I think I have a good chance of getting a swap, I'm sure the village is desirable to some. I know me and the kids need to leave this village, it's suffocating us. DD has literally been breaking her heart about it, 15 and going stir crazy. It's awful. I feel like we're being kept on DH's bloody compound.

I love DH but the kids come first. I feel they aren't going to thrive here and are lonely, isolated and depressed. As am I. I feel I need to take control here.

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lyralalala · 28/07/2019 21:46

I dunno would he have to pay "bedroom tax" if he had the DC for overnights he may still be entitled to it...

Unless he goes on to benefits the bedroom tax is completely irrelevant.

I don't know how it works but I assumed if me and DC left then the council would boot DH out and move a family in there.

Am I wrong there? Seems odd they'd let a single bloke take up a 3 bedroom house.

They're very, very unlikely to kick him out - that would make him homeless and then they've have to house him anyway.

If they have smaller properties available they might offer him a swap.

decisionsindecisions · 28/07/2019 22:00

No he wouldn't be the sole tenant if the OP gave notice.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05149/SN05149.pdf

Wakeupalready · 28/07/2019 22:02

As a complete aside from all the previous posts, how long would it take to get medical services to you all in his lovely retirement home should he/ or any one else be so unfortunate as to experience a heart attack or a serious injury etc? Especially when you can't drive.
I'd suggest the answer would be too long and too late.
This was an argument a friend used to pry her husband out of their seriously isolated bush abode when their children were going nuts like your kids are. He hadn't considered that at all when selfishly clinging to his favoured lifestyle and he started listening to her arguments.
They now live much closer to a regional centre rather than 1.5 hours away in the middle of nowhere.
No idea whether that would work in your situation but if he has any health anxiety it might be an effective add on to your argument.

decisionsindecisions · 28/07/2019 22:02

If one party to a joint periodic tenancy3 serves a valid notice to quit4 on the landlord this has the effect of bringing the contractual tenancy to an end. In turn, this gives the landlord the right to recover possession of the property despite the fact that the other joint tenant(s) may not want to leave.5
The courts have considered the issue and established that where one of the joint tenants serves a notice to terminate the tenancy on the landlord this has the effect of terminating the whole tenancy

TeacupDrama · 28/07/2019 22:29

the article quoted also says in some circumstances a sole tenancy will then be created and the landlords should seek legal advice but the OP could give notice to quit tenancy without her DH approval as she can't apparently make a claim to be rehoused while her name is on a tenancy
The case referred to did involve domestic violence

WhisperingPines · 28/07/2019 22:55

Your DH sounds selfish.
You must decide what you do with your life. You're not his property. You can do what you want.

Do other people in your village drive and do they have DCs? Maybe you could arrange a car share with neighbours so that your DCs aren't so isolated? Do your DCs even have friends in the village where you live?
Have you ever talked to neighbours about your feelings of loneliness?

Why did you decide to move there in the first place?

Yabbers · 29/07/2019 00:37

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spacedone · 29/07/2019 01:17

I don't understand why you're still contemplating what to do. He's an abusive prick and I don't get why you're even giving him the option to come. You have the perfect option to get out - pack your stuff and go to your mums. Don't even tell him, he's just going to kick off and shout at you. Take control and leave.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 29/07/2019 01:26

Why would you even want to live with a cruel selfish man like this? Even if you move somewhere less isolated, I imagine he’ll just look for fresh ways to control you.

I think you should all go to your mum’s as soon as possible, clear your head, get some advice re your housing and take it from there.

19lottie82 · 29/07/2019 01:38

Urgh what a selfish twunt, if he wants to live rurally that’s understandable, but if so then he needs to to provide transport to enable his kids to have a social life. Refusing to do so is just cruel.

Topseyt · 29/07/2019 02:55

Yabbers, below is a quote from the OP on page 2 of the thread. How would she know that driving triggers her vertigo if she has never been able to drive??

I have vertigo, quite severe. Driving almost always triggers it. Dizziness and awful headaches

With regard to school transport, many local authorities are making access to that much more difficult now due to cutbacks.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 29/07/2019 03:06

I grew up in small market town... Had many pals in similar situations to you...

Frequently, if the mum had a driving license, the bloke would have sole control of the car.

It was shit.

You and your kids will have a lovely time living in the school town. It will afford so many more opportunities... For ALL of you.

Sorry to hear re vertigo. Don't want to tell granny to duck eggs... Have you had the most recent assessments? Some hospitals have specialist clinics... The reason I ask... An acquaintance who was bady impacted by vertigo had some new meds which controlled it enough to return to driving?

Yeahnahmum · 29/07/2019 06:32

I TOTALLY get why you want to move

But if your sole reason to move is for the kids....
They might only live with you guys for another 5 years max. Get them a bike. Or a scooter or something. They are old enough to do that 🙂

prawnsword · 29/07/2019 06:40

Re vertigo - in recent years my dad has developed vertigo due to poisoning himself with too much salt intake over his life (menieres disease?) - when he was having an attack he was so unwell & this is a man who is a total workaholic! So having seen vertigo suffered up close please give OP a break - it would be pretty much impossible to drive in that condition safely. Also when I slipped a lower back disc sitting & driving was a no-go as it compresses the spine, however walking was more tolerable.

OP as there is no tenancy or property to divide it sounds like you’re basically free to leave whenever you are able to! From reading the forums many women find themselves stuck during that uncomfortable early separation stage. I hope you will be able to take comfort in your advantageous position!

katewhinesalot · 29/07/2019 06:46

Taking the kids out of the equation, would you even want to stay with him in isolation in his "quiet, safe retirement home" whilst he buggers off everywhere in the car and refuses to give you a lift anywhere to facilitate a social life for you? Doesn't sound much of a retirement for you in the future or much fun at present.
Now add the kids back into the equation.

katewhinesalot · 29/07/2019 06:47

But don't do anything in secret. You can't arrange a home swap then let the others down when he refuses to move.

Tell him what is happening.

LittleFairywren · 29/07/2019 08:09

I think you need to grab the kids and leave while he's at work. Go to your mum's. I bet shed be thrilled to see you. He's controlling and based on what you've said I would suspect abusive.

On another note I wish people would read the fucking thread, or at least op's posts. They're not hard to find people, they're highlighted. Reading comprehension is absolutely woeful these days on Mumsnet.

Milkbath · 29/07/2019 08:17

Oh OP, please pack up and go to your mum's so you and the DC can enjoy the rest of the summer. This all just sounds so horrific. I'm feeling claustrophobic just reading your posts. Your DH is selfish and controlling, keeping you trapped on this isolated little estate like some sort of demented Pa Ingalls

Picture this. In fifteen years, if you stay with him, your children will be long gone. Trust me. They will not rush back in a hurry, they really really won't. Your mother will be older and may be in poor healthimagine begging your husband to go and see her in the middle of winter because you are worried for her. Your own health will undoubtedly be worse than it is now thanks to the continued strain of living with such a controlling misery. Your husband too will be even worsemen like this become impossible after retirement, he'll start spending all day at the pub and becoming obsessive about bin collections. Somehow I don't think his idea of a perfect retirement will involve cruises and Saga holidays. Or visiting any future grandchildren. He will isolate you alone in that house until one of you dies first, and that then leaves you with the choice of being his carer, or hoping that he'll care for you, which I wouldn't have too much faith in.

He is a paranoid, controlling man, and I'd be very interested to know if this obsession with his nice quiet house is the only issue you've had in your marriage - somehow I doubt it.

If you leave as soon as possible, by Christmas you could be living in a nice little home in the town, your children can get themselves to school and back, they could be close to friends, sports clubs, cinemas, activities. Not to mention you'd have the support of your mum close at hand. You could start living for yourself too. Imagine how good it will feel, the first time your daughter is having a milkshake or something with friends and your son is out kicking a ball around with his, and you know they'll be home for dinner before dashing out again.... The freedom will be intoxicating

lyralalala · 29/07/2019 08:40

@Yabbers You can guess that. But it’s clearly been going on for a very long time and no mention of previously being able to drive.

Except the very first post in the thread says I suffer chronic pain that makes it difficult to drive

As well as but it’s a lot when you don’t drive

Both of which suggests the OP can drive, has driven, but now doesn’t feel able to drive because of her health

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CitadelsofScience · 29/07/2019 08:47

Yabbers if you'd read every single post on this thread then you would not be left wondering about anything.

Everything has been explained, even the school transport issue, by myself quite a while ago!

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cranstonmanor · 29/07/2019 08:56

@Yabbers who are you to just dismiss someones pain as insignificant? Besides, it doesn't matter because she still isn't bloody allowed to drive due to vertigo.

lyralalala · 29/07/2019 08:57

I'm also not sure I would consider "awful headaches" as "chronic pain"

Ah well, if you’ve decided without knowing the op that she’s wrong about her own levels of pain and frequency then she’s obviously wrong...

What is it about this place that has women so keen to minimise other women’s pain and health conditions?