Why do so many people distrust socialism?

[malificent7]

Is it due to the legacy of Marx, the notion that it's a race to the bottom, the feeling that those who work harder should get paid more or a mistrust of human nature?
I do understand these concerns but what is more worrying if the vast inequality that seems to prevail nowadays. Thoughts please.

In Denmark? I haven't seen any Danish people in this thread. 🤔

Nice gaslighting. I’m talking about the poster who described the reality of living under communism.

Nice gaslighting. I’m talking about the poster who described the reality of living under communism.

Funny, this thread is about democratic socialism not communism.

Ever seen a Tory/Labour/LD etc. etc. queing at a food bank? Didn't think so.

This is honestly such a stupid and weak point. What in fact are you even trying to say. Go back and ask your university lecturer what he meant or re-read the article on the Morning Star comrade

Funny, this thread is about democratic socialism not communism

Nothing funny about it. Communists use socialism as a Trojan horse for delivering communism. Labours front bench are communists.

To me socialism means government control, and I don’t trust the government." What do you think is happening now?! Few employment rights, massive regulations on industrial action, few rights for the poor, sick and disabled, legal aid largely gone, little representation allowed for the disadvantaged... Not having the means to pay for your representation also means you can't challenge what's happening. If you think you're not under govt control now you're deluded!

I do think that I am under government control, it’s bad now but would be worse under socialism.

We need a middle ground party. Where is it please?

Labour is veering Hard Left thanks to Momentum

Tories veering Hard Right thanks to ERG and the current Front Boris Bench.

The LDs and others who might be considered middle ground have to battle FPTP.

Dictatorship incoming.... especially with Cummings talking about a total revamp of the Civil Service. I hope they shaft him big time. But beware and take note.

For all those posters discussing democracy in the USA. The US like France is not a democracy. It’s a Constitutional Republic.

For all those posters discussing democracy in the USA. The US like France is not a democracy. It’s a Constitutional Republic.

Lol it's worse than that, it's a bunch of paid off "representatives" that act as puppets for the private interests that have lobbied (aka paid handsomely) for them.

Is the United States of America a republic or a democracy?

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probably because socialism has never ever worked

hi op at are your thoughts of the national socialist party of Germany that existed between 1920 and 1945

Is the United States of America a republic or a democracy? the answers they democratically elect a republic form of government so the argument is a stupid word game arguing about the semantics of the word democracy

I can only speak for Germany, and the socialism in East Germany ended in 1989. Germany has a social (not socialist) market economy. None of the major parties is Germany would describe themselves as socialist.

The SPD are social democrats, which is what I referred to in my post. They are a major party in Germany. They are affiliated with the Party of European Socialists in the European Parliament.

Communism ended in East Germany in 1989. For the umpteenth time, democratic socialism does not equal communism.

hi op at are your thoughts of the national socialist party of Germany that existed between 1920 and 1945

Are you for real? The genuine socialist party (the aforementioned SPD) was banned by the Nazis in 1933. The Nazis were far right fascists, about as far from socialism as you can get. Maybe you should pick up a history book.

Probably because we don’t like thieves.

And you don't understand democratic socialism.

probably because socialism has never ever worked
Whereas capitalism has been such a roaring success

Labours front bench are communists.

Did you read that in the Daily Mail?

This will be shocking, no doubt, but Labour (UK) is akin to european democratic socialist parties and not just under Corbyn.

It just has a different name.

They are all under "Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats".

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Alliance_of_Socialists_and_Democrats

Distinct from the communist group, "Party of the European Left".

the argument is a stupid word game arguing about the semantics of the word democracy

Yes. Particularly because those countries that call themselves Democratic most often are anything but.

There's nothing thieving about sitting on your arse creaming off the profits from other people's labour of course

All this sitting on your arse.

I have to sit on my arse more than most because my mobility is poor and I use a wheelchair. I'm disabled. My kids are disabled. I'm their carer.

Is that sitting on your arse?

Don't tell me "oh no, I don't mean people like you" because that's what people always say. When actually you do mean people like us as since the benefit reforms were implemented we've been disproportionately hit hard by them. The reforms missed their target by a country mile and families like mine have struggled. Some have died.

Besides the fact that the combined total of DWP errors and fraud was 0.05% amongst the disabled population.

Doesn't matter though, it's someone else's money init?

Oh and don't call me lazy, I do volunteer when my health and caring responsibilities permit. But those two elements mean holding down a job would be utterly impossible.

There's nothing thieving about sitting on your arse creaming off the profits from other people's labour of course

Jesus wept. Welfare fraud is a very small issue. How many people do you think are long term unemployed because they can't be arsed?

This is not about anyone sitting on their arse while others do the work, it's about everyone being paid fairly for the work they do, and being able to feed and house their families.

The right wing press really have brainwashed the masses, haven't they?

Um ladies I think you're misreading me. I'm talking about the bosses here.

I’m talking about the poster who described the reality of living under communism.

Funnily enough, the children slaving in sweatshops on the shitty end of the capitalist stick aren't on this thread to describe their experiences.

Labour aren't even remotely hard left. It's just the political landscape in this country has veered so hard right that it appears that way. If you look at their policies they are extremely similar to democratic socialism in Denmark and similar countries.