Priti Patel

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Anyone else think that was possibly the smuggest walk into Downing Street ever?

Was I alone in praying she would trip up?

bellini I certainly do not support violence, quite frankly civil unrest will be the least of our worries if we don’t leave. Most people know this. Most people understand that you can’t just overturn a referendum and expect to still call yourselves democrats!! There are consequences to ripping up the rules.

Would someone be so kind as to make a list of Patel's incredible successes and achievements?

I notice the remainders go silent when they realise the hysteria of passporting, banking etc have already been dealt with two years ago!
Your project fear babble won’t wash.
We are leaving.
On that note I need to go. If you voted remain, do the decent thing and accept we are leaving now and be confident that what emerges will be far better. Yes it’s a boring struggle, yes we are all sick of it, but what follows will be a far stronger United Kingdom. Of that I have no doubt.

Get behind the bloody country and stop bloody moaning.

Not sure anyone so far has talked about gites and gap years - evidence? I'm against Brexit but there is a lot of wittering about how poor little Binky who can't go on the Erasmus programme because of Brexit on the Remainer threads

You can stick your "country". I know what our new clown PM thinks of the Scots. I'm certainly not self hating enough to support that.

I notice the silence when asked about Patel's achievements

@urbanlife , if you can make Brexit compatible with our GFA obligations, I'm ok with it. WA did that. Tbe suggestion of Border in the Sea/NI as a special economic zone does that? No Deal Brexit does NOT do that.
Solve it for us. We are waiting....

If you voted remain, do the decent thing and accept we are leaving now and be confident that what emerges will be far better. Yes it’s a boring struggle, yes we are all sick of it, but what follows will be a far stronger United Kingdom. Of that I have no doubt

You sound like the character Napoleon out of Orwell's Animal Farm.

T floats to the top. Looking at the current cabinet it seems indisputable. it's so sad that the people in the government have no grasp on the challenges of being a regular working /middle class person. I think there should be a maximum quota on the number of privately educated MPs. Of course, turkeys don't usually vote for Christmas.

Indeed. Scary, isn’t it?

"I'm against Brexit but there is a lot of wittering about how poor little Binky who can't go on the Erasmus programme because of Brexit on the Remainer threads"
Really? Don't see it myself.

I'd love to know what great things we can look forward to. Real tangible things, not some bollocks about freedom from oppression and bureaucracy.

With all this talk of "losers", mind, I think some people regard events that have a bearing on people's real lives as some sort of game.

yes we are all sick of it, but what follows will be a far stronger United Kingdom. Of that I have no doubt.

You are looking backwards imagining that we are still ruling over an empire. Those days are long gone but have left a bad after taste for the countries we once exploited.

Have you looked at China, India et al? They are taking over large parts of the world's economy and trade, their global power has been growing but we are too arrogant to take note and adapt to the changes.

We are, as a single country, now largely insignificant as is the US. As part of the EU we have some power left, especially if we lead and steer, rather than moaning and acting like obstinate toddlers. Even the EU is growing weaker in comparison with e.g. China but we have some negotiation power as a EU member and a large group of allies with relatively shared interests and relatively share cultural contexts.

Get behind the bloody country and stop bloody moaning.

If you want to be patriotic you would do your support the UK being part of a supportive and strengthening union not isolate us and support a corrupt and incompetent government.

The EU is not a perfect system but as we still have to trade with them we will have to abide by their rules anyhow, our national negotiation position is so much weaker than the EU's. If we don't trade with the EU it will be us suffering not them so much.

How can the British government expect to get special allowances from the EU if other member states don't get them as well? That doesn't make sense and is childish and entitled. Also the UK actively shaped these rules so it's not something that is "being done to us".

I'd say we're better in than out. We always had the option to regulate EU immigration if that's a sore point but our government chose not to use these options, blame them not the EU.

On a side note, do people realise that the UK is bankrupt? It's not talked about but do have a little read here www.cobdencentre.org/2010/08/the-uk-is-broke/

As ever, turkeys voting for Christmas is the best way to describe Brexit.

Priti Patel is bad enough, but Esther McVey as well. Shocking. And then there’s Jacob Rees-Mogg, that shining example of toxic masculinity and privilege. Has there ever been such a shower of shit in power?

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I agree Fibbke. Just nasty about someone who they don’t even know and some people just like to moan and make horrible comments with no solutions.

I'm not British, I don't know her, but I know she went to Israel and had secret meetings, something she shouldn't have done with any country in a sensitive area. I know she wanted to threaten us with food shortages So I feel a bit judgy about her

Did Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May really tour Europe together? This must be a joke.
I find that unbelievable mostly because they are such different people and personalities. I just cannot see that pairing at all. There doesn't seem to be any respect at all for each other.
It sounds like the sort of tv programme channel five might make in five years time though!

I do find it breathtaking when leavers say ' stop moaning' ' get on with it' to remainers when they haven't stopped banging on about Europe for about forty years! Nigel Farage has been on a whinge fest for around twenty five of those and still does on his radio show.
They are allowed to complain but nobody else is!

The use of the name Binky in the Erasmus conversation was evidently chosen to convey posh, though doubtless derxa will deny that. The Binkys of this world will still be able to get their gap years and study in Europe if they want, it's the ones from the poor backgrounds that'll suffer. Like my sister: council estate, we relied on benefits, used her rights under EU law to study at a top university outside the UK. There would've been about as much chance of my parents affording that as there is of Boris going a year without impregnating a mistress.

And actually, this point is made all the time on the Brexit threads: that the rich and those fortunate enough to have dual citizenship will continue to enjoy their opportunities, and everyone else can fuck off. Because Brexit.

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Did Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May really tour Europe together?This must be a joke*
I find that unbelievable mostly because they are such different people and personalities. I just cannot see that pairing at all

Google it, its well known, they had lives before politics.

May - nee Jackson was originally from Jamaica but together with her son Michael decided that skin bleaching was the way forward.

"rippimg up the rules"
The referendum was advisory legally, it doesn't have to be implemented.

Leavers can never ever claim to be defenders of democracy, they have attacked anyone who has tried to exercise
oppposition to how they are using the referendum to force through an agenda that wasnt on the ballot. MPs, Judges, Lords are enemies of the people.

You are not democrats forcing throughthe agenda that wasn't on the ballot on the back of an advisory referendum is the act of despots.

"Binky on Erasmus" is a strawman argument, shows dexra doesn't really read the threads and that she has no valid critique.

The use of the name Binky in the Erasmus conversation was evidently chosen to convey posh, though doubtless derxa will deny that. I don't deny it MN is packed to the gunnels with well off sharp elbowed people who pretend to care about poor people.

Dominic Cummings, BJ s new right hand man, recently described the ERG as 'a metastasized tumour on the body politic which needs to be excised'. Odd to be finding myself agreeing with him but I do. Should be fun and games behind the door of Number 10.

You really haven't done a very good job imbibing the content of the Brexit threads then derxa. The likes of my sister are brought up much more often, simply because examples like her take such an extensive shit on the more tired Brexiter tropes. In order to make the (shit) argument you're attempting here more convincing, you should've said Kelsey-Mai or Jayden.

She lost any credibility she might have had with me when she suggested that food shortages would force the Irish to be “more reasonable” over the backstop.

That and her voting record on women’s issues and poverty are frankly horrendous, hateful old hag.

No support from me.