So Boris Johnson is the new PM.

[AngeloMysterioso]

Aaaaaaaaand we’re fucked.

Oh and the same Steve Baker who with Reece-Smug in the ERG opposed the last PM at every turn. Baker truly is a nasty little man.

I do know where our imports are from and the EU is not a major player

Do you really believe that?

Shame we're not allowed to use the S word.

Why all soooo negative? The good news is that (a) BoJo is an unprincipled charmer and (b) that he is popular with the Tory right wing - so if anyone can sell them something less than a 'hard Brexit' he can, and convincingly dress it up as 'another victory for Britain!'

More worryingly, which may torch my thesis, is that he seems to have surrounded himself with rather too many Tory hawks, including in particular Dominic Cummings and Priti Patel, both of who seem to have a direct line to Satan (if he exists). Patel in particular seems to take the C18th view that it's all the poor's own fault, a la Norman Tebbit (but without his charm and sympathy).

The worry is that this is a cabinet intended to campaign not govern (we should possibly be grateful for this) and that he will call a GE with some sort of arrangement with Farage.

Jon snow from game of thrones??

I concur.

They are a collection of no-hopers with egos bigger than their capabilities.

You are describing our government?

"No, I'm not independently wealthy, but I'm comfortable" then you will be JUST as screwed over as the rest of us.

It isn't JUST about trading PARTNERSHIPS, it's about trading ROUTES and many many other factors.

"They are a collection of no-hopers with egos bigger than their capabilities." Yep!

And yet they think that the poor, sick, disabled and otherwise disadvantaged are the ones to blame!

I do know where our imports are from and the EU is not a major player although they would like to think so.

30% of our food comes from the EU.

Many of our imports have to come through the EU even if they did not originate from the EU.

We share a land border with the EU.

We fish in water that we share EU countries.

For over 50 years we have been troubled by Europe, initially with De Gaulle and the present useless collection. They are a collection of no-hopers with egos bigger than their capabilities.

If you want to put it that we way, the UK has been 'troubled by Europe' for a lot longer than 50 years. However, the last 50 years have been much better than the preceding centuries. Much less war.

History shows that whatever our relations with Europe, they always remain stubbornly next door and we always have to deal with Europe, which is why 'no deal' is such a ridiculously stupid concept.

… and the good news is … that (from imperfect memory) there's (usually) a bit of a switcheroo 12-18 months in, as debts are seen as paid, and office holders prove useless/dangerous/unwanted, and some calm is achieved. Trouble here is that 100% of focus is on what happens between now and mid October, so expect Priti Grim and others to be diminishing the role of the state and reducing welfare, along with higher paid tax cuts, for a little while to come.

Damn! Undermined my confected optimism!

Graphista i know you sometimes have trouble with your PMs but i thought this might interest you Its on next week.

As council housing in the UK reaches its 100th anniversary, George Clarke embarks on his own personal campaign to kick start a new wave of council house building. A child of a council estate, Clarke looks at the reasons for the steep decline in affordable public housing, and meets those who have suffered due to the acute shortage of homes. In a bid to realise his own ambition to create social housing of quantity, and quality, he meets visionary architects of the past, and visits the best and worst examples of housing currently on offer. A trip to Vienna, where social housing can come with indoor and outdoor pools, proves inspirational for his housing vision for the future. George lobbies government to reform housing policy, before taking matters into his own hands in a bid to start a housing revolution. Prod Co: Amazing Productions

As council housing in the UK reaches its 100th anniversary, George Clarke embarks on his own personal campaign to kick start a new wave of council house building. A child of a council estate, Clarke looks at the reasons for the steep decline in affordable public housing, and meets those who have suffered due to the acute shortage of homes. In a bid to realise his own ambition to create social housing of quantity, and quality, he meets visionary architects of the past, and visits the best and worst examples of housing currently on offer. A trip to Vienna, where social housing can come with indoor and outdoor pools, proves inspirational for his housing vision for the future. George lobbies government to reform housing policy, before taking matters into his own hands in a bid to start a housing revolution. Prod

tvhighlights.bradfordzone.co.uk/television/tvprogrammes/george-clarkes-council-house-scandal-channel-4-31-july-900pm/

I thought this was mumsnet..a forum to discuss things regarding our kids, environment, offers of helped..not a right wing selfish flat earth I am all right sod the rest of you attitude. I beg you to hold Johnson and that awful pritti Patel to account..and spare a thought for Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffein a mental ward of a jail die to Johnson's stupidity.

What I really like the best though is people like Dominic Raab and Steve Baker saying that we need to get Brexit done and that all MP's should support Johnson to do that.

That would be the same Raab who finalised the 'Deal' and resigned the next day because he couldn't support it

Oh and the same Steve Baker who with Reece-Smug in the ERG opposed the last PM at every turn

The double standards of these 'power hungry tossers' is amazing

Totally - self serving tossers arse licking Bozo Johnson who campaigned for Remain, before her realised he could get his chance at the top job by supporting 'Brexit'.

@helenadove thanks. I'll try n remember to watch that

And now we have sodding Gavin Williamson in the cabinet, a dangerously incompetent traitor as sec for education! Who is too stupid to know when to keep his mouth shut!

Galdos, if Satan doesn't exist, that pair could conjure him into being with no effort. However, am cheering myself up with seeing Home Sec and Chancellor are both of Asian origin. And one is a woman! Great to see Boris the Golden fulfilling those Brexiter dreams of a return to the 1950s. Hilarious, sadly, Patel is a horror. Helena, friend visited Vienna last week and is full of praise for their housing and transport. We had this too and threw it away to our utter and lasting shame.

Im currently reading this. I think both you Graph and @lomgwayoff would find it interesting.

John Boughton (author of Municipal Dreams The Rise and Fall of Council Housing) on the welfarisation of council housing.

www.insidehousing.co.uk/insight/the-rise-and-fall-of-council-housing-56139

In the 1980s, residualisation may have been a partly unintended consequence of housing policies pursued with varying ideological intent

Since 2010, and more so since the return of single-party Conservative government in 2015, we’ve seen something further: welfarisation – ‘a conception of social housing as a very small, highly residualised sector catering only for the very poorest, and those with additional social “vulnerabilities”, on a short-term “ambulance” basis

Today 20:36 Oblomov19

We must be the laughing stock of everywhere surely?
Embarrassing.

The Embarrassing part is to vote to leave and then end up staying because we can’t find the bloody way out!

Absolutely delighted. Drain the swamp and let's leave the EU.

Let’s us give him a chance. Once Brexit is over we can send him the list of other things that need doing !!

Toomuchtrouble4me
Surely it's more embarrassing to stomp your feet and leave with no deal/a crap deal cos you don't want to lose face? Have you heard of the expression cutting of your nose to spite your face?

The Embarrassing part is to vote to leave and then end up staying because we can’t find the bloody way out!

I think that would show a lot of maturity actually.

Shame we don’t have it

I wonder what tricks this clown will bring to the circus we refer to as parliament !!

Between BJ and Trump they are making a laughing stock of the UK and US.

We've had DC who brought the vote in his mandate and then did a runner. Tm who promised Brexit means Brexit and thats not ended well. Seems the remainers havn't faired too well upto now. Perhaps having someone who believes in Brexit is our best chance!

This cabinet is unrelentingly grim isn’t it?
Patel isn’t just awful, she’s pretty thick too.
I like a PP’s theory that in 12-18 months time debts will have been repaid; but it begs the question, what did Patel have on BoJo?
Hopeless little optimist I am though I will say in a sea of shit(s) I don’t mind Sajid Javid. And he has a modicum of economic expertise. Always a plus but not a given with Chancellors. 😮
I was half expecting Farage to pop up in a similar role to Dominic Cummings, so small mercies and all that.

In answer to where are the sensible politicians?

It’s a shit job.
Whatever you do you get abused (just look at this thread).
Why is it like this?

Because self selecting groups come together to reinforce their over the top biases on social media; criticism is generally based on shoddy strawmanning of politicians positions and not enough people listen to the other side of the debate.